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by israel67
Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:25 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery
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Views: 4313

Re: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery

seamusTX wrote:
PetrucciFan wrote:Towards the end of the interview, the GG said that the BG asked if he was a cop and the GG said "yes" even though he wasn't. Now, I can see his reasoning for saying yes, but could this get him in hot water for impersonating a LEO[?]
When you've arrested a robber, I think a few white lies are just water under the bridge.

Israel has the right idea, though. The defender probably talked more than he should have. It's too easy to be distracted.
Yep. Anyone at whom I need to point a gun, isn't my friend, and I'm not going to get into chit-chat with him. Hey man, is that a Kimber? Yeah, like it? Sure do, swell gun ... can I see it ? Sure, be careful, it's loaded .. oh no, what are you doing?? What -- BAM!!

*sigh*

I need to get out more.
by israel67
Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:49 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery
Replies: 30
Views: 4313

Re: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery

PetrucciFan wrote:Obviously this situation worked out well for this chl'er, and I can't say what I would have done in this situation, and I don't want to say what he did was right or wrong, but I do have a question for you guys after watching his interview.

Towards the end of the interview, the GG said that the BG asked if he was a cop and the GG said "yes" even though he wasn't. Now, I can see his reasoning for saying yes, but could this get him in hot water for impersonating a LEO.

If you had to draw on someone and they asked if you were a LEO, what would you say?
SHUT UP AND GET DOWN, KEEP YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE 'EM!!!!!!!!!!
by israel67
Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:59 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery
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Views: 4313

Re: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery

seamusTX wrote:In this case, as Herb pointed out, if the robber actually had a bomb and was willing to blow himself up, he could have taken several innocent people with him.
How many bank robbers really have bombs on them?

If they know how to make a bomb, then why not plant it somewhere and call the cops and demand a million dollars or they'll blow it up? Much less risk than walking into a bank with the thing on your person and risk dying along with the people inside.
by israel67
Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:26 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery
Replies: 30
Views: 4313

Re: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery

Dude's just been interviewed on Fox News ...
by israel67
Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:29 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery
Replies: 30
Views: 4313

Re: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery

HerbM wrote:Also note this guy was claiming a BOMB.

This means that either it is likely very much a WORSE idea to intervene or very much more important and urgent to do so.

If the guys hands are both showing and empty -- he needs to be subdued fully or shot in the head.

If he's got a legitimate looking "detonator" in his hand with his finger on the button and it is pressed DOWN, then maybe it's a good time to "run for your life" (or slide away.)

If his finger isn't even on the button, then he REALLY needs to be shot in the head now.

You mileage may vary but the principle is that we must evaluate the threat now and ALSO where the threat is likely to be going in the future.

And we had better be right, or at least right enough.
I personally wouldn't react for a reward. I'd do it because some lowlife is committing a violent crime in my presence, and putting an innocent person in fear of death or serious injury.

I believe that this is what y'all call a 'no-brainer', yes ?
by israel67
Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:08 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery
Replies: 30
Views: 4313

Re: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery

seamusTX wrote:There's always a conflict between minding one's own business and intervening. I think it's legitimate to ask why, if the bank won't hire armed guards to protect its assets, a customer should provide the service for free.

Obviously, in this case, it went well. I wonder if the bank will reward Mr. Fawzi.
One would hope so. But I wouldn't necessarily do it for the company, but for the poor dude who's got a sawn-off shotgun shoved in his face.

As a child, I had a handgun pointed at me. Maybe it was a real one, maybe it was 'just' an airgun. I'll never know for sure. But the sight of the muzzle a foot from my face, will never leave me. And as an adult, if I see some scuz shoving a gun in a guy's face simply because the latter has the tough luck to be earning an honest crust by working ... you can bet your last dollar that if I can do something, I'm going to do it.
by israel67
Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:07 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery
Replies: 30
Views: 4313

Re: Gutsy good guy stops bank robbery

seamusTX wrote:Canton, Michigan (Detroit area): A man allegedly tried to rob a bank, claiming that he had a bomb. A customer who is a Michigan CCW holder drew a 9 mm pistol and told the robber to stop. The robber obviously did not have a plan B (nor a bomb) and was arrested.
The startled [robber] countered with, "but, I have a bomb" -- but Fawzi wasn't impressed. "I don't care. You are not robbing this bank!" was the reply from the other side of the gun.
I saw that on XD talk, and was amazed at the number of people who criticised the CHL for intervening! Is it really a case of 'I'm all right, Jack!' or 'don't get involved' everywhere??

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