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by LabRat
Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:24 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: OH - Grandma shoots LEO after mistaking him for a BG
Replies: 17
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Re: OH - Grandma shoots LEO after mistaking him for a BG

gringo pistolero wrote:I'm trying to imagine how she heard him jimmying the lock loud and clear, but didn't hear him knocking on the door and ringing the bell.
Exactly my point.

The Lt. says he tried to contact the complainant, but we don't know how he did it......or IF he did it.
ddurkof wrote:Of course had the Lt. not attempted to make contact and she was disabled or being held captive, the Lt. would have been negligent for not doing "more." News media is famous for not getting the story right and you guys seem to become experts on what was or was not done on the scene.
It seems none of us are immune to speculating on what might have happened, eh?

LabRat
by LabRat
Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:20 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: OH - Grandma shoots LEO after mistaking him for a BG
Replies: 17
Views: 3110

Re: OH - Grandma shoots LEO after mistaking him for a BG

If a phone was used by her to report the prowler, its not likely she would ignore the phone if it rang. Would likely be the police calling back to check on her or provide more information.

Don't know what means he used to try to contact her, but I think he would have persisted before breaking into her home.
From the article, he had no indication of a crime in process; why the break-in?

I think he should be disciplined over the incident.

He apparently passed up some really good avenues to resolve this event.
Instead he chose to escalate it to a danger level that almost cost him his life. Retraining might be in order.

LabRat
by LabRat
Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:30 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: OH - Grandma shoots LEO after mistaking him for a BG
Replies: 17
Views: 3110

Re: OH - Grandma shoots LEO after mistaking him for a BG

gigag04 wrote:The first articles I had followed made not mention of the status of the officer, so I missed that.

Still puzzled by the alarmed response. I would fully expect to turn over the weapon used in defense to the investigating agency.

Just because a person hasn't yet been charged, doesn't mean investigators are reviewing the case and meeting with prosecutors. I don't know the specifics of this case, but that is the nature of investigations. The weapon is a big fat piece of evidence.

I hope both parties end up fine and learned some things along the way.
Its expected that when folks comment on threads such as this that they acutally read the referenced link so that all parties are on the same page for the discussion.
If you aren't going to read the discussion information, how can we talk about this with some intelligence?

If you have alternate sources, post them so that we can all benefit and absorb the same data.
Again, it puts us all at the same place for discussion.

As noted in the article; "Police Sgt. Joe Heffernan said Ms. Huddleston will not be charged with the shooting because "I don't think it meets all the culpability standards for felonious assault on a police officer."

Its unlikely that Sgt. Heffernan would say "will not be charged" unless he's been in contact with decision-makers who back that statement. When an officer is shot at in other circumstances, its a done deal on an arrest. So I tend to think his statement is based on verbiage approved by higher-ups. Usually you get something on the order of "will be referred for consideration of charges" or "will be sent to a Grand Jury", etc.

Now, can things change? Sure, but again, we're specifically commenting on the article as posted at this time.

I, too, hope both parties are fine. Ms. Hudleston should not experience any guilt or regret over her actions.
Officer Pepitone has a superficial wound and was back at work within a day or so.

I also hope the officer takes a hard look at what he was attempting to do and sees the danger his actions provoked.

In the context of the article, a prowler is reported to police. Officer investigates and finds nothing.
Then attempts to break into the home that reported the prowler...really?

That wouldn't be my first plan of action and I'm not a police officer.
It didn't occur to him that the homeowner might think the reported prowler was trying to gain entry?

To break into her home (to contact her?) was a poorly thought out decision.
He's lucky he's not dead.
His actions provoked the shooting; which which could be why Ms. Huddleston will not be charged (at this time).

There were other less dangerous and more common methods apparently available to him to contact the homeowner. The article notes Ms. Huddleston was the one who contacted 911, so a phone call to her would make a lot more sense before he chose to force entry into her home. He might want to take some time to fine tune his approach in future similar events - that's what I hope he's learned.

And I hope they return her property in short order. I don't think the "evidence" tangent is going to work this time.
She's the only one at home and she shot at the officer trying to break into her home. What additional evidence are they looking for?
Now if they want to charge the police officer with some administrative action due to his poor decision, do they really need the weapon for that to occur?

LabRat
by LabRat
Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:22 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: OH - Grandma shoots LEO after mistaking him for a BG
Replies: 17
Views: 3110

Re: OH - Grandma shoots LEO after mistaking him for a BG

gigag04 wrote:Seriously - she killed somebody with it. It's definitely getting taken. And I'm slightly appalled that that is your first concern, honestly....

Even in a "good" shoot, the gun will be taken, at least for a while.
As has already been pointed out, she did not kill anybody.

You were mistaken; can I assume you are now not "appalled" at my first concern?

Yes, guns are confiscated during investigations; however, we see numerous times (think New Orleans and Hurricane Katrina as only 1 example) where police confiscate weapons (for no criminal activity) and never return them or make the process so onerous as to be prohibitive to pursue. Actions like that smack of a police state mentality.

Yet in this case, an apparent swift decision was made that the act did not rise to a criminal offense. The officer should not have tried to force his way into a dwelling.

So the police still confiscate her gun, leaving her with less protection than when the event started?
Nothing in the information provided makes that act seem justifiable.

LabRat
by LabRat
Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:02 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: OH - Grandma shoots LEO after mistaking him for a BG
Replies: 17
Views: 3110

Re: OH - Grandma shoots LEO after mistaking him for a BG

And they confiscated her gun because........???? She's not charged with a crime.

Seems like she might be a better shot than some folks are......and she believed danger was coming in the back door.....

Not sure why the cops would think taking her firearm would be a legal move.

LabRat

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