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by pbwalker
Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:31 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 33011

Re: Electoral Votes

grim-bob wrote:
pbwalker wrote:A Doctor should never choose to perform, or not perform, a procedure based on their religious beliefs. A Pharmacist should not decide whether or not to fill a script for the morning after pill based on their religious beliefs. That is wrong. That is imposing their beliefs on someone else. If they don't like it, they can find another job. It's akin to saying "Sorry, I am not going use this defib on you because you don't believe in <insert some character here>".

:tiphat:
This is a typical selfish argument that only considers one side of the equation. Try turning that very argument 180 degrees.

A patient should never demand a doctor to perform a procedure against the doctors religious beliefs. A patient should never demand a pharmacist to fill a script for the morning after pill which is against their religious beliefs. That is wrong. That is imposing the patients beliefs on the doctor and pharmacist. If the patient doesn't like it, they can find another doctor or pharmacist.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander and all.....
So, to me, it sounds like we need to remove the religious involvement in medicine. :cheers2:
by pbwalker
Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:16 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 33011

Re: Electoral Votes

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Again
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by pbwalker
Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:09 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 33011

Re: Electoral Votes

tamc9395 wrote:Your posts need to be deleted as well. Freedom of speech, I think not!
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Do you own this forum? No...so take your weak "Freedom of Speech" argument elsewhere. You broke the rules...don't get all hissy.
by pbwalker
Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:03 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 33011

Re: Electoral Votes

SewTexas wrote:I'm done with this....I enjoy a good argument as well as anyone, but you're using ridiculous false arguments....I'm outta here.
I don't understand why it's so hard to answer: "Do you feel that Doctors should be allowed to choose what procedures they perform based on their religion?"

Bye bye
by pbwalker
Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:46 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 33011

Re: Electoral Votes

SewTexas wrote:Wrong...bad argument and you know it...using a defib is saving someone's life.

performing a tubal is a basic everyday, by choice surgery
But you are going against gods "will", no? If it is time for a person to leave the Earth, it's their time. :leaving

Do you feel that Doctors should be allowed to choose what procedures they perform based on their religion? For example, if a Pediatrician, who happens to be a Christian Scientist, refuses to vaccinate children because it's against his religion. Or a Catholic Doctor who refuses to give MMR, Polio, and Hep A vaccines because they use aborted fetus cell lines?
by pbwalker
Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:30 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 33011

Re: Electoral Votes

A Doctor should never choose to perform, or not perform, a procedure based on their religious beliefs. A Pharmacist should not decide whether or not to fill a script for the morning after pill based on their religious beliefs. That is wrong. That is imposing their beliefs on someone else. If they don't like it, they can find another job. It's akin to saying "Sorry, I am not going use this defib on you because you don't believe in <insert some character here>".

:tiphat:
by pbwalker
Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:07 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 33011

Re: Electoral Votes

Kythas wrote:People ARE still allowed to shop around in this country to find the place of business which can supply all their needs.
For some people with no insurance, that is not the case. :tiphat:

Again, I stand by my statement that religion doesn't belong in medicine.

There's a song I listen to ever now and again, and I'll paraphrase, but folks can get the gist. I think it's spot on:
"My daughter walked in and chose to ask 'Why are all those people sleeping on the floor covered in red?' I told her that they were looking for god but found religion instead"
:read:
by pbwalker
Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:53 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 33011

Re: Electoral Votes

So a mother goes in for a c-section, gives birth, and wants her tubes tied needs to get sewn back up, and sent somewhere else to have it done...I don't think that's right. Religion doesn't belong in medicine.
by pbwalker
Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:18 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 33011

Re: Electoral Votes

anygunanywhere wrote: Oldgringo, you speak of which you do not know. The Catholic Church does not impose mores, beliefs, and judgements on others.

The Catholic Church has been the steadfast source of Truth for 2,000 years. If you look at history and the teaching of all other world religions their teachings have changes with the times and social engineering. The Catholic Church's teaching is the same today as it always has been.

You are also wrong about one other point in your post. God will not sort 'em out. When we die we sort ourselves out. When we die we judge ourselves because we then understand fully His Right and Truth. These are no longer clouded. We decide to go to either heaven (purgatory for those with imperfections) or heck. If you die outside of God's loving grace you cannot stand to be in His presence.

This might be difficult for some to accept but it is the truth.

Please stop judging the Catholic Church in your posts such as these because they are not true.

Anygunanywhere
:shock:

There's a lot of wrong, and a lot of opinion in this post.

I know of several Catholic hospitals that do not perform tubal ligation procedures, even when requested. Why is that?
by pbwalker
Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:37 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 33011

Re: Electoral Votes

sjfcontrol wrote:Just a couple of quick points. Firstly, why should a woman be able to "choose" what to do with her body? Nobody gets that "right". For example you can't use your body to rob a convenience store. Now, you say that's because if affects the rights of others, but the right to "choose" also affects the rights of others, mainly the baby, but also the other family members. Perhaps a more on-point example would be that you aren't allowed to put illegal chemicals in "your body". So the government put all sorts of restrictions with what we can and cannot do with our bodies.

Secondly, for those that claim that gay marriage, etc. is fine with them as long as they don't get the bill -- well there is a bill, and in some cases they ARE paying it (or will be). Benefits are payable to public employee's families. Medical insurance and other benefits accrue to the spouse of the employee, and those benefits are paid by tax receipts paid by YOU. When the definition of "marriage" is expanded to include same-sex couples, those new spouses then become eligible to collect on those benefits. The same thing occurs when the benefits are expanded to include "partners" (in addition to spouses) of the employee.
Well, my company expanded it to partners and same sex spouses and my rates never went up. I'd also imagine rates for a married couple is lower than the rates for two single employees. And honestly, there is nothing we can do to keep the fed from spending our tax dollars on it.

I want to ensure I tread lightly on your first comment as I do not want to violate any forum rules. We're having a good, civil discussion here, and I've enjoyed it. I'll first say I am very much pro-life, and I don't agree with the "a" word at all. But I also realize it is not my choice, and it's something a woman (and sometimes spouse) have to decide upon. It's on them to live with. I would rather see adoption, but sometimes people don't have that option. But I go back to it being none of my business. I know people wonder how one can be pro-life and pro-choice, but I am.

I will say I am not a religious person, but I understand the POV. I grew up Roman Catholic. I remember hearing birth control was frowned upon! :lol:

And great post snatchel! :tiphat:
by pbwalker
Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:28 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 33011

Re: Electoral Votes

talltex wrote:[quote="Oldgringo{snip}


Well, that makes at least two of us, HP.

Furthermore, I am married to Mrs. Oldgringo and that suits us fine (most days) and we don't care who else marries whom. It's not ours to judge nor is it any of our concern.....as long as we don't get any bills for it.
:thumbs2:

Nope, there's a few more of us...[/quote]

I imagine there's a majority because I fit in that camp. What a woman does to her body, who people marry, etc. doesn't concern me. Until I have to pay for it...then it's game on.
by pbwalker
Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:58 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Electoral Votes
Replies: 274
Views: 33011

Re: Electoral Votes

Well, I called it. Sadly...because I was hoping I'd be wrong. Time to put in an order for 5000 rounds. :???:

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