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Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Why do you Obama supporters keep trying to refer to this bill as something Obama wanted?

Chas.

Let's be honest here...this isn't some piece of legislation draw up by congress, and happily signed by obama. Coburn did his thing and it worked out.

But I can pretty much guarantee that is he's elected for a second term, there will be some gun related legislation he will happily sign, and we won't like the results.

I'm sorry, but I'd rather vote for Mickey Mouse over Obamney...

Can someone bring back Goldwater please?

Charles L. Cotton wrote:pro-abortion

Pro-Choice ≠ Pro-Abortion

I personally think it's disgusting and I am very anti-abortion. But it is not MY place, nor the GOVERNMENT'S place to say so.

anygunanywhere wrote:

pbwalker wrote:
How does "love of God" impede on your freedom?

I see nothing wrong with the Libertarians number one priority being freedom. Freedom for you to practice your religion, freedom for me to not. But when laws are drafted / written based on someones religious beliefs, I have a huge problem with that.

Morality is great. Forced / Governed morality is not.

Morality comes from God as does all truth.

Anygunanywhere

I wholeheartedly disagree

stroo wrote:Morality is not "great"; Morality is NECESSARY for a democratic society.

And some forms of morality must be promoted by and/or enforced by government, such as do not murder the innocent, do not steal, etc.

And yeah my love of God impedes a lot on my freedom. God requires certain behaviours that impede my freedom - love neighbors - I need to forgive even when I don't want to ; do not steal; deal honestly with others; be faithful to my wife; protect the innocent, etc.

If we want to keep a democracy of any kind, freedom can not be your only principle.

I'll agree that *some* forms of morality must be in place, and you cite perfect examples. My argument, which I should have been more specific about, is the far reaching morality arguments. Without breaking forum rules, I won't mention what it is...but we can figure them out.

And your love of a god is fine. What I have a problem with is when elected officials think I need to follow the rules their god puts in place. I don't subscribe to any form of religion personally, and I wouldn't force that upon anyone else. I would like to see that go as a two way street.

There's far too much overreach by the government.

stroo wrote:A true conservative understands that a democracy can only last as long as morality exists among the people - things like value life/don't kill children, pay your debts, be honest, keep marriage vows, etc.

Libertarians in my experience don't understand that. They seem to have one principle - freedom.

While I love freedom too, there are other principles that are as important that impede on my freedom - love of God, of family, of country, morality.

How does "love of God" impede on your freedom?

I see nothing wrong with the Libertarians number one priority being freedom. Freedom for you to practice your religion, freedom for me to not. But when laws are drafted / written based on someones religious beliefs, I have a huge problem with that.

Morality is great. Forced / Governed morality is not.