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speedsix wrote:...it's usually those who've served beneath the flag who appreciate and understand the honor due her the best...

1997 - 2003 USA / USAF

Thanks for the reply. Love the pornography analogy!

I completely understand your view. I'm no fan of modified flags myself, but I guess I have become immune to it. I guess I look at it as more of a First Amendment issue. Do I *like* it? Nope. I guess I just turn a blind eye to it.

sjfcontrol wrote:

pbwalker wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:This was a flag. It was flying underneath an unmodified US flag, on a pole outside a home. It was not an image of a flag. And it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown.

Do you have proof that this was ever an American flag?

Also, you say that "it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown."

Actually it does.

Reference?

Before I answer, just so I understand your post, please expound upon the statement that ""it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown." Maybe I misunderstood.

You disagreed with me saying that the Obama flag was not an American flag, saying "By that logic, anything you can possibly do to a flag is perfectly OK, since once you desecrate it, it's no longer an American Flag."

I am saying that if it was never an American flag (which you contend, at one point, it was...reference for that?) then how am I desecrating the American flag. It does matter if it was an American flag at one point, but if it was not, then it's moot. That's why I said it does matter.

Or are you saying that any flag with red and white stripes, and a blue upper left corner is an American flag by default, and it subject to our flag code?

sjfcontrol wrote:This was a flag. It was flying underneath an unmodified US flag, on a pole outside a home. It was not an image of a flag. And it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown.

Do you have proof that this was ever an American flag?

Also, you say that "it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown."

Actually it does.

sjfcontrol wrote:

pbwalker wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:There is a definite difference between some other countries' flag that may have similar elements to ours, and modifying OUR flag to replace one of it's elements with a picture of the president. ANY president.
(I note that the Malaysian flag has one extra white stripe, in addition to the modified star field. Also, if the aspect ratio looks odd.)

I guess I am doing a poor job in making my point. All I am basically saying is that the Obama flag is as much an American flag as the Malaysian flag. Meaning, neither are American flags. Just like the LGBT rainbow flag with the stars is not the American flag.

No, I got your point. By that logic, anything you can possibly do to a flag is perfectly OK, since once you desecrate it, it's no longer an American Flag.
Might as well argue that its just a piece of cloth, not worthy of the fuss.
I do not agree.

Are we sure that it was ever a flag to begin with? Do we know if it ever had stars on it, or was a complete American flag? Could someone have made it as it is shown? Are we 100% sure that someone defaced the American flag to make it as it is?

sjfcontrol wrote:There is a definite difference between some other countries' flag that may have similar elements to ours, and modifying OUR flag to replace one of it's elements with a picture of the president. ANY president.
(I note that the Malaysian flag has one extra white stripe, in addition to the modified star field. Also, if the aspect ratio looks odd.)

I guess I am doing a poor job in making my point. All I am basically saying is that the Obama flag is as much an American flag as the Malaysian flag. Meaning, neither are American flags. Just like the LGBT rainbow flag with the stars is not the American flag.

MeMelYup wrote:I think there are exceptions with conditions. President signing a flag. It becomes more of a trophy than something that is going to be flown everyday. Such as an American flag flown in Iraq on an American vehicle during a firefight. The flag was signed by everyone there and now hangs on a wall in a revered place.

Exactly...just as this flag is a "trophy" for all the Libs and other MaObama lovers.

I guess I just don't understand the fuss. It's not an American Flag. It's as much an American Flag as the Malaysian Flag.

Rex B wrote:I'd be honored to have GWB sign my flag.
But not if he had his picture printed on it first.

I agree, but I'm just trying to show that it is still defacement of the US flag.

I don't recall any outrage when Bush signed the American Flag