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Ah, agreed. There are always many options in a particular circumstance, and most of the time there is more than one correct choice. Without being there, it's easy to say he'd be full of holes before he got a shot off, but the truth is we'll never know, and whatever worked for them did save lives.

57Coastie wrote:

jmorris wrote: I don't think it was a choice *not* to kill him, their only option was to capture him.

You don't think so? If they had felt the need to kill another human being, as it appears so many do, they could have beaten him to death.

Jim

Beating him to death means beating him beyond threat stage. He would be incapacitated and disarmed well before the death blow. In this case, it would be murder, not self defense. There was a CSI (yes, I know not totally legally binding) that had a case of a crazy guy trying to open the door of a pressurized plane cabin in flight, and the passengers stopped him by beating him to death. They determined it was murder because the passengers continued to beat the guy even though he was unconscious after the first or second blow, but let them go because no jury would convict.

A person with a CCW could have stopped him quickly, and as a result may have killed him, but they key is to neutralize the threat with whatever it takes, and nothing overly excessive. Of course without being there, speculation is useless. I see what you are probably trying to say though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you pointing out that because of the church's established ideologies, they most likely wouldn't have carried or shot him even if they could have?

DoubleJ wrote:

agbullet2k1 wrote:
Interesting sidenote: in TN, there is precedent to no-bill someone with a HCP who carries and uses a gun to stop a violent crime in a gun-free zone,

Health Care Professional?

Handgun Carry Permit. Open or concealed. Not even a holster required technically. You could walk down the street with it in your hand legally as long as you aren't up to something.

anygunanywhere wrote:Are Tennessee churches gun fgree zones?

Anygunanywhere

No carry allowed in churches in TN, even by the clergy. The faulty reasoning is that even the most sensible of people can get emotionally riled during a "hellfire and brimstone" sermon and take it out on the preacher.

Interesting sidenote: in TN, there is precedent to no-bill someone with a HCP who carries and uses a gun to stop a violent crime in a gun-free zone, so if anyone had been carrying in the church and stopped him, they'd most likely escape charges. A few years ago, someone shot a gunman in TN who tried to pull a Luby's, but since the restaurant served alcohol, he shouldn't have carried in there. The case never made it past grand jury. IANAL, but I do remember hearing about the case on the evening news and reading about it in the papers.