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flintknapper wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:32 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:25 pm

AdioSS wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:56 pm Just saw this posted yesterday: https://www.full30.com/embed/MDIxMjI3?f ... S-0_zO5X-Q

The officers backed up a LONG WAY. They did everything they could to not kill him, but I also imagine that part of this was to get to an area that was clear behind? Still, that situation got WAY TOO CLOSE.

The actions in that video are mind-boggling. There were so many tactically unsound actions displayed that I can't help but think it is the result of law enforcement fear of being prosecuted for using justifiable deadly force. After finally shooting the thug several times, the officer actually let him get up again to continue the attack, even though it was clear that he was not going to get verbal compliance. The officer being attacked actually holstered his handgun while the thug made his final attack after having been shot. I cannot imagine what he was thinking to go hands on with a knife-wielding attacker. He lost his command presence when he retreated and kept saying "please" multiple times.

I know some younger folks, especially those who have never been in law enforcement, may interpret my comments as an example of pride or a macho attitude, but it is not. Once a potential attacker perceives you are fearful and/or unwilling to use your handgun, the likelihood of an attack goes up exponentially. That's why a command presence is to critical.

I couldn't tell of the officer was injured or not, but he is very lucky to be alive. Scenes like these make me sick.

Chas.

^^^^^

Could not agree more with your assessment. Spot on.....every point.

Charles L. Cotton wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:15 am Although this video apparently involved an incident in Mexico, I've seen numerous videos of American LEOs dealing with people armed with edged or impact weapons. In the majority of cases these days, the officers are seen backing up. I haven't worn a badge in decades, but I'm curious if this is the training police cadets are receiving now in the academy and/or is this part of continuing education training. This is not how we were trained. I'm not talking about using available cover, I'm talking about retreating from an advancing threat, whether walking or running. Doing so sends a terrible message to the would-be murderer; i.e. that the officer is unwilling or reluctant to use justifiable deadly force. In my view, it increases the likelihood that deadly force will be necessary in addition to increasing the probability that the officer will be injured or killed.

What say our active LEOs?

Chas.

flintknapper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:11 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:38 pm The cop at least followed the rule of, don't stop shooting until the threat has stopped. Or in this case, the threat was on top of him.

Unless you get a CNS shot or mechanically break them down (pelvis shot) I would fully expect a determined attacker to continue on for something close to 30-45 seconds (seemingly an eternity when under attack).

IMO the officer made at least two errors that put him in greater jeopardy.

1. Although it is clear the officer was trying to maintain 'distance' while confronting the knife wielding suspect, he failed to stop and shoot quickly enough. There is a point (lacking cover or a viable avenue of escape) where you MUST commit to addressing the threat and proceed to do so. That 'point' is NOT AFTER the threat is already running your way! You should already have established good footing a TWO hand hold on your weapon (if possible) and be ready to fire.

2. The other mistake the officer made was to try to run backwards. You can NOT run backwards as fast as someone can close the distance on you by running forward. At the point the officer realized that....the attacker was already upon him. ALWAYS move off-line of the attack. This must be done at the proper time (not too soon or your attacker will simply track you), but as the attacker is nearly at striking distance. Of course, all this time you should be shooting. Just before the attacker will reach you....step off in a 45° or greater angle to the attack, continue shooting and maintain distance.

Caliber wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:01 pm Not unusual at all. The only shot to instantly stop the BG is to hit the computer (head). Otherwise, if you hit some major pipes, bleed out/blood pressure drop can take up to two minutes. People in really good physical shape can take a hit in the heart and still be active for several minutes. I learned this info from a two-day class with Steve Tarani.

cirus wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:52 am He should have pumped the rounds into his stomach or crotch. Bet he would have stopped real quick.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:53 am

OneGun wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:51 am Wonder if the BG was on drugs???

I think he had to be. He took center of mass shots and just kept coming. It was like he did not know he was shot.

OneGun wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:51 am Wonder if the BG was on drugs???