Now that would be profiling and we know we just can't have that.rotor wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:46 pmI normally would not trust the feds either. I hope that all they go for are foreign users too. ATN I doubt knows all of the people that have their scopes as I doubt that terrorists register them. But it is likely that terrorists have downloaded the app. The app without the scope is useless. I guess we will see what happens with Apple and Google.ELB wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:23 pmYour logic is fine as far as it goes, but unfortunately the Feds have shown themselves spectacularly unable keep within the bounds of the law during investigations (see "unmasking", lying to courts to obtain "legal" permission for spying, etc).rotor wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:10 pm Let's look at this in a different light. The scopes involved are night vision and thermal and probably their (ATN) binoculars. These I believe all have export restrictions which I assume are meant to keep them out of ISIS and other terror organizations. Most people who have a scope are going to have the Obsidian app as well although the scopes can be used without the app. If Justice can find a bunch of overseas terrorists with the app (and presumably the scopes) a bunch of lives may be saved. I previously owned one of their scopes and I give permission (if needed) to have my name given out. All they really want or need is the overseas data. Could this be more nefarious than that, sure but I don't think they are after US citizen data with this fishing expedition.
Actually I think someone with some brains thought of a way to possibly find terrorists.
Finally don't flame me because I think it may be good law enforcement and not an invasion of my rights.
It would seem that if the DOJ is looking for overseas end users, then they could request that from the companies, but it appears they are grabbing all users and want to do the sorting themselves:"The request is undeniably broad and would likely include all users of the app within America, not just users abroad who might indicate illegal shipments of the gun appendage. "
I was going to leave it at that but changed my mind. We as Americans have allowed our government to trample our right to privacy. Why? Because some piece of garbage Islamic terrorists blew up two high rises. This is simply more manifestation of the government taking advantage of Americans fear. Once they get power, they take it to the extreme. They will not stop either. It is only going to get worse until one of two things happen.We lose our freedom completely or we stand up to them. It is just the way it is.