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Texas_Blaze wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:54 pm The sad truth is people shouldn’t be selling guns....









You should want to keep each and ever single one. They are all special! I haven’t sold a single one yet.

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:28 pm

mrvmax wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:25 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:51 am

mrvmax wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:50 pm

carlson1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”

If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.

Agreed, i can understand the reluctance to sell or buy from a stranger but it’s so ironic that people who do not want 2A rights restricted by our government often restrict 2A rights beyond what the law requires when selling to individuals.

What is even more sad is that we live in a prosecutorial environment where buyers/sellers even feel the need to protect themselves that way.

My point really is that the need to protect oneself when buying and selling firearms to individuals is based on false information and I’m not sure where that comes from. Is it paranoia? Internet wives tales? I think people have an irrational fear of being held criminally liable for buying or selling a firearm used in a crime since I just don’t seem to find cases of this happening as it’s perceived. I could be way out in left field and just uninformed about it but I don’t recall reading about this happening and I spend a good portion of my life perusing numerous gun forums so I assume I would eventually run across an article on this happening. Now I could see this happening in other less gun friendly states but I just don’t see it happening in Texas as I see it portrayed in theoretical scenarios (I.e. I sold my gun to a stranger, it was used in a crime after I sold it so now I’m going to jail). Maybe Charles or someone more knowledgeable will correct me if my view is just from being misinformed. I think I’ve about exhausted my view on this so I’ll shut up now and see if anyone has some insight I have not seen before.

You’re probably right, in that the odds of actually needing to have protected yourself that way are fairly low. It’s not the odds though, it is the consequences if things go wrong.

flechero wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:29 am I'm surprised that each time this topic comes up it gets several pages of action... it's either a testimony to our increasing numbers or to our aging memories!!!


I will no longer buy with a BOS, for reasons listed earlier- if I want to be on the record, I will just buy new and get the assurances and warranties that accompany it. (save and except to some oddball screamin' deal)

NNT wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:52 am I don't show ID for the same reasons I don't do transactions at my house.

1-I don't want strangers who know I have guns or valuable things to know where to come get them when I am not home.

2- giving a copy if my DL gives full name, address, birthday, dl#. A little online research and my identity is compromised...

Bigger chance if these two in my opinion than BATF knocking on my door.

Liberty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:25 am

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:32 am There is absolutely no reason to worry about "covering your butt" if one simply uses common sense and complies with the requirements of the law. Nothing more... nothing less.

I am beginning to believe some want tougher gun laws. But the problem is, these restrictions on private sales some are in favor of will do nothing to decrease gun crime.

But. I am 100% in favor of people instituting any additional restrictions on purchasing a gun from them they desire. I won't be buying or selling from you.

No, I would require a bill of sale on just about anything of high value that I bought. A receipt with ID info gives me some assurance against buying from a thief or a crook. I would assume that folks that don't want to provide ID for a sale is up to no good. Whether its a gun a car or a fishing rod. I won't buy a gallon of milk without a receipt, why should I buy a hand gun from a stranger without BOS.

oljames3 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:35 pm

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:26 pm I’m tired of this thread, so it should be immediately locked.

IBTL!

Richbirdhunter wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:57 pm

carlson1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”

If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.

Thank you!!

rotor wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:37 pm In case you haven't seen one here is a good one...

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:07 pm

carlson1 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 am I just stated what the law in Texas requires.

We can require anything we want. If we want them to stand on their head then we can require it. Just don’t be surprised when no ones wants to stand on their head.

I occasionally see guns for sale that look interesting. Then I will read the part where the seller requires the buyer to use an FFL, at the buyers expense, for a $200 gun. Or requires a FTF transaction when they live 200 miles from the nearest major city, and the seller refuses to meet in the middle, etc. I sometimes get curious about whether these guys actually manage to ever sell their guns.

But as you said, you can require anything you want, as either the seller or the buyer. If a business owner can require me to not be wearing underwear* in order to buy from them, they why would a private seller not be able to put any restrictions they want on a buyer?

* or shoes, or a gun, or a shirt, etc., etc.

carlson1 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 am I just stated what the law in Texas requires.

We can require anything we want. If we want them to stand on their head then we can require it. Just don’t be surprised when no ones wants to stand on their head.

carlson1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”

If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.

rotor wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:35 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:31 pm

rotor wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:15 pm Even the bill of sale is not required but I personally get one.

That is not a bad idea and I would do that with anything I sell, simply as evidence it was sold. One would think the person purchasing a gun would also want to have proof they paid for it. It is ironic that the person buying the gun is at more legal risk than the one selling it. You could be buying a stolen gun.

I agree but if you have read many posts on this forum you will see that many people don't want to get a bill of sale. Sounds foolish to me but that's the way it is. Bill of sale is not legally required though.