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TreyHouston wrote: ↑Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:03 pm
I drink often and smoke cigarettes like its my job! I had surgery a year ago and was prescribed some type of opium liquid painkiller. I took it for a week and was very cautious about exactly how much I was taking. I KNEW what could happen, especially to an addictive person like myself. As soon as I was better, I flushed the rest down the toilet (yes, I know but didn’t care), and have never thought about it until today.

rotor wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:04 pm
Unless the mother was on drugs while carrying a fetus one is not born with an addiction. One acquires an addiction but first one has to use the drug to activate the addiction. The use of the drug requires conscious effort (unless one has been forced to use the drug). Once addicted to the drug then one has the disease of addiction. But in almost every case the disease was caused by a conscious use of a drug. If you know a person has HIV and you purposely have unprotected sex and acquire HIV you then have a disease but you activated that disease by your conscious effort. I was a tobacco user as a youngster and fought the disease of addiction to nicotine which is an extremely powerful addiction. My mother smoked while she was pregnant. Nobody knew the risks then. The choice to smoke though was my mother's and mine as as a teen. Just like elections have consequences, drug use has consequences but we all make a choice. I am a libertarian in that I don't deny you the choice but I don't want to pay to fix your mistake. I can think of better uses for the billions needed to treat other peoples bad behavior.

rotor wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:38 am

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:12 am
We all know that people who would do bad things with guns are going to get guns, just like people who abuse drugs are going to get drugs. So... How about we try something else? Take away the illegal market, deprive the gangs and cartels of funds. View drug abuse as the mental health issue that really is and make an effort to address it that way, ala Portugal... I'm no expert in the field, but it's plain to me that the current plan is failing miserably, despite any good intentions.

You may view drug abuse as a mental health issue, I don't. I personally would not be against mandatory death penalty for sellers of drugs (not marijuana) and possession treated like some of the countries with long jail sentences like Malaysia. You would like to see state run drug outlets. I don't know which of us is correct but I don't want to see the U.S. become a huge opium den with a mindless population. They are mindless enough now.

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:12 am
More available?

When my kids were in HS (recently) they could buy whatever they wanted, as long as they could pay the asking price (we talk about these things with our kids). How much more available can you get? I'll answer that myself.... Go to almost any university campus.

Passing more laws making already-illegal things "more illegal" or pretending that more laws will make drugs harder to get.... that's the same argument that anti-gun people use... Let's ban the guns, so people who make bad choices won't have guns to do bad things.

We all know that people who would do bad things with guns are going to get guns, just like people who abuse drugs are going to get drugs. So... How about we try something else? Take away the illegal market, deprive the gangs and cartels of funds. View drug abuse as the mental health issue that really is and make an effort to address it that way, ala Portugal... I'm no expert in the field, but it's plain to me that the current plan is failing miserably, despite any good intentions.

rotor wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:41 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:44 pm

rotor wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:26 pm A young girl from a drug addicted family home is dead probably trying to feed her own drug addiction. So we want to legalize more drugs. I wouldn't be surprised if the knife was planted but the shooting was appropriate in any case.

The war on drugs has been such a success that you're not even a little interested in trying something different?

I didn't say that I wanted to continue the war on drugs but do you think that making dangerously addicting drugs more available to young people is a good idea? It's good I guess if you sell the drugs to everyone like the tobacco companies have done. Having been a smoker when I was young I know how hard it is to fight the addiction of nicotine. Perhaps the Malaysian way is the way to go. I personally don't have any sympathy for people that knowingly use drugs and become addicted. Do you think the girl in this posting would be alive today if not for her drug use?

Or perhaps we should have opium dens so that the populace could be enslaved by politicians and be happy while it's being done. People will always use drugs whether legal or not and I don't care if they overdose and die or become addicted. Darwin in action. Like Russian roulette. You play the game and you may die.