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Dori wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Lol... We have officially posted every angle imaginable, like five times and agreed or argued with them no less than twice on each opinion. I love circular threads.

Oldgringo wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:The reality is, the level of guilt one feels over carrying a handgun is directly proportional to how one responds when answering the question posed in this thread.

I feel zero guilt about carrying. I feel zero "special citizen" class because I am carrying. I don't feel any different about carrying a handgun on my person than I would a money clip. This renders me incapable of feeling like I am somehow "disrespecting" a person when I am carrying my handgun.

Exactly. Guilt is not part of it at all, which is one reason why I don't have those kinds of relationships to begin with.

Maybe I am sheltered but I don't personally have any associates, family or friends who are anti gun. I think you mentioned this earlier but my bet is that the person who is anti gun is someone who would have many other opinions that conflict with mine. I don't think I would have to be concerned with an invitation to their party in the first place.

Who was it that said, "...birds of a feather oft gather together..." about a dozen or so pages ago?

I can't think of any associates, family or friends who are anti-gun but I do have some of each who are staunch abolitionists when it comes to the subject of strong drink and I occasionally visit in their homes....for a short dry spell. Similarly, they are invited into my home...they usually don't stay past the howdies; choosing instead to .

The Annoyed Man wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:The reality is, the level of guilt one feels over carrying a handgun is directly proportional to how one responds when answering the question posed in this thread.

I feel zero guilt about carrying. I feel zero "special citizen" class because I am carrying. I don't feel any different about carrying a handgun on my person than I would a money clip. This renders me incapable of feeling like I am somehow "disrespecting" a person when I am carrying my handgun.

Exactly. Guilt is not part of it at all, which is one reason why I don't have those kinds of relationships to begin with.

Oldgringo wrote:I've seen all sorts of invitations to various gatherings that contained the request, "RSVP". I've even seen invitations that requested "No Children"; however, I've never seen any invitation that contained the caveat of, "NO GUNS, Please".

jmra wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

txglock21 wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:What's with you people? Just because we have a Texas CHL doesn't mean we HAVE TO carry anywhere. A CHL enhances our choices, it doesn't dictate them.

In our particular instance above, I CHOSE NOT to carry to the Saturday night party in the home of our first CHL instructor (there were at least a half dozen CHL's in attendance). The next day, Sunday, I CHOSE TO carry to the Christmas service in the house of the Lord. In both instances, Mrs. Oldgringo and I exercised our liberties, did our thing and arrived home safely thereafter.

You are absolutely right, but I CHOOSE to carry or I CHOOSE not to go. As for carrying at Mom's, if I didn't carry, I would be the only adult there not carrying including Momma. She got her CHL before I did.

I don't think there is anything wrong with people except for a possible misinterpretation of what a right is. We have the right to carry, or the right not to carry. It works both ways. But it is my choice. Not yours, my mommies or my ex chl instructor. I saw a few posts saying they would not go if told not to carry. That is also a choice. The reality of it all is, I have no such weird folks in my circle of friends or family. The very nature of that request, indicates a person I would not associate with in the first place.

Exactly! Is this a great country or what?

I guess that depends on what part of the country you live in.

txglock21 wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:What's with you people? Just because we have a Texas CHL doesn't mean we HAVE TO carry anywhere. A CHL enhances our choices, it doesn't dictate them.

In our particular instance above, I CHOSE NOT to carry to the Saturday night party in the home of our first CHL instructor (there were at least a half dozen CHL's in attendance). The next day, Sunday, I CHOSE TO carry to the Christmas service in the house of the Lord. In both instances, Mrs. Oldgringo and I exercised our liberties, did our thing and arrived home safely thereafter.

You are absolutely right, but I CHOOSE to carry or I CHOOSE not to go. As for carrying at Mom's, if I didn't carry, I would be the only adult there not carrying including Momma. She got her CHL before I did.

Jihans wrote:Concealed is concealed. If I can't Carry I don't go. Unless they post a sign or specifically tell me I carry whether they like it or not

tbrown wrote:If I was invited to the party, I think that counts as "effective consent" in most cases. However, if there was any doubt in my mind, I would skip the party and go somewhere I'm welcome.

RKirkwood wrote:Like many others if I'm going to have a drink I don't carry. When I go to family gathering I generally lock in up in the truck. All (well most) of the family shoot but are not as disciplined as I would like.

chasfm11 wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:I would be real careful not to let the church lady know about my gun. If she is that afraid of guns, rather than bad guys with guns, you can bet she would start a stink.

On the topic at hand. If the RKBA is truly a right, it seems to me everyone should assume we are all exercising that right and if they don't directly address my carrying on their property, neither will I. If an anti gun zealot is that worried about a gun, they should make it a point to inform every person that comes to their home that the practice of the right is not allowed. I don't see the need to get permission. It seems backwards to ask permission to exercise our right, regardless of who's home we are in.

Just for the record, I don't think anyone responding here is anti gun. And my comment was for anyone that cares to respond.

But that isn't the point either. If I understood correctly, the OP was not asking permission nor was I suggesting doing that. What I said was that my decision was voluntary and not driven by any legal requirement. If I elected to carry, I'm confident enough in my concealment that I could pull it off so this isn't about getting caught and being asked to leave either. It is about whether I personally feel any moral obligation not to carry because I know that the homeowner is adamantly opposed to it. You and I agree that if the person was passionate, they can give verbal notice to every possible party attendee and that pretty much seals the matter. The real question comes if they don't.

For me, it would be a very rare instance where I'm faced with the decision. 8 times out of 10, I'm not going to go to party at someone's house at all if I know that they are strongly anti-gun because I haven't found guns to be a singular point of disagreement with people who hold the anti-gun position. I can tick through 10 other topics on which we would probably disagree. I think it is pointless to go to a party at someone's house and to think that the weather was probably the only topic that I can safely discuss with them. But there are some parties which have a level of obligation to attend. Those are the ones that I would ponder. Do I blow off the obligation and not go? Do I go and, just because I can, carry? Or do I chose a different path? At the end of the day, it is only about me living with my own decision. All of us have different tolerance levels on that.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Again with the absurd. Drugs are illegal, unless it is prescription and I won't ask permission to take my legally prescribed drugs into the home. Porn? Obamacare brochures? LOL...if I had that on me, I wouldn't tell them about it. Unless they were hippies. But again, if they said to me, don't bring those items into my house, I would respect it.

Hey I did say I lived in Austin. Hippies still exist here...

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

TexasCajun wrote:And so it again comes to pass with topics of this sort, that we have entered the "fundamental" or personal rights vs property rights debate. I find it interesting that those who believe the RKBA is God-given and shall not be infringed are quick to ignore another fundamental right - the authority to control your own property, unless they're talking about their own property.

NOBODY said anything like what you just posted. You have the right to tell me not to carry. It is NOT my responsibility to ask you what is permitted on your property and what is not, as long as I am within the law, I am well within my rights and NOT trampling yours to control your property. Again, If I am not told to leave my gun home, I assume it is ok since carrying my concealed weapon is not only legal but a constitutional right.

You control your property alright but do you have a list of what is allowed on your property so I am not violating any secret rules? The only way your post works is if I am told not to carry on the property and do so anyway...which is a violation of the law.

In this instance, would they have to tell you specifically that you can't bring drugs into their house? How about legal pornography? Obamacare brochures?

Note I'm not really disagreeing with you in the real world, just looking at where the limits are in your policy for discussion's sake.