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BigGuy wrote:Guys. The whole premise of this thread is wrong. The consumption of beer actually makes you smarter as explained by that great sage of Cheers fame, Cliff Clavin:

"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."

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Oldgringo wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

bizarrenormality wrote:I once saw a quote that summed up the subject so well that I made it my signature.

I dunno about that. Have you ever heard the expression, "Hey, hold my beer and watch this!" ? I have watched very intelligent and educated people turn into completely different animals after a couple too many drinks. I'm sure others have witnessed the transformation as well. I wish I had a nickle for every time I have watched normal fellers grow "beer muscles" after over indulging.

IIRC, I've never grown any "beer muscles" but I have, on rare occasion, become 'Hollywood Handsome' and quite erudite; that said, "...I never picked cotton..."

I become "Mr. Cool"! I even have a shirt with a big C on the front for when I drink.

bizarrenormality wrote:I once saw a quote that summed up the subject so well that I made it my signature.

I dunno about that. Have you ever heard the expression, "Hey, hold my beer and watch this!" ? I have watched very intelligent and educated people turn into completely different animals after a couple too many drinks. I'm sure others have witnessed the transformation as well. I wish I had a nickle for every time I have watched normal fellers grow "beer muscles" after over indulging.

pancho wrote:

E.Marquez wrote: Personal choose? Sure absolutely.. If a TX CC person does not want to even walk by a bar and still carry... I stand by his choice

If another TX CC person wants to follow the law, and carry while not intoxicated.. I stand by that choice as well.

I think it's similar to the 30.06 debates. The law about 30.06 notice is very specific and if a business has a simple "no guns" sign that's not sufficient. Some people will ignore those signs and carry on. Some people will disarm before entering. Some people will not disarm and not enter those places. All three of those are legal and it's a personal choice how somebody wants to comply with the law.

I don't agree at all. For one thing, there is no NRA safety rule concerning carrying past a gun buster sign. You are not risking anyone's safety by carrying past a gun buster sign.

Drinking alcohol does affect judgement and mental function. Drinking while handling weapons, could be putting other people in danger.

See... One situation has zero effect on others around you while the other situation can have an affect on other people's lives.

E.Marquez wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Yes!! I see it here quite often. You included. But carry on. Again... I simply quoted from what the NRA itself recommends!! If that offends you, so be it. I made up nothing and quite frankly couldn't care less if you want to drink like a hobo and play Russian roulette. Have at it...

For the record. There happen to be many things the law does not forbid that are not very smart to do. For instance, there is no law against putting an "empty" revolver to my head and pulling the trigger. Telling people it is not a wise thing to do is not "making up my own laws".

The rhetoric tone and position sounds familiar, hear it a lot on anti gun sites and anti 2A advocates.

The law says X, but I believe Y, and so you should do what i want, not what the laws states . "My feelings override your rights under the law"

I am not advocating carrying a concealed handgun while intoxicated Never have, not in any post you can cite..never will.

I am advocating that the law in question has limits, and defines when it is illegal to carry.

As Im sure all here would expect and demand that if the LAW did not restrict concealed carry in a public place,, we should not be told "Well my feelings are it isn't right, so I say you can't"

I would hope, that these same 2A advocates would stand by ALL the laws that concern us, not pick and choose for the group....
Personal choose? Sure absolutely.. If a TX CC person does not want to even walk by a bar and still carry... I stand by his choice

If another TX CC person wants to follow the law, and carry while not intoxicated.. I stand by that choice as well.

Yeah... That's it. You got me... I am anti gun. That is the single most ridiculous analogy I have ever read posted on this forum! According to your thinking... The NRA is anti gun! You are aware I quoted the NRA safety rule on alcohol??

Like I said... The law doesn't cover many things that are common sense. Indexing your finger for instance. I suppose if I say, "indexing your finger is a highly recommended habit", that makes me anti gun.

If you had said the argument is anti alcohol, I might have been able to agree. not that I am anti alcohol either but it would work better for the argument you are trying to make than to insinuate I am anti gun.

nightmare wrote:

Keith B wrote:Depends on how the drug affects them. I know some people that can't take an OTC antihistamine like Benadryl without it making them loopy. If it impacts their ability to think clearly and make solid and sound decisions, then yes they should.

I agree but it also sounds like those people shouldn't be driving in that state either. Most of us here seem to agree that if you're too drunk to drive, you're too drunk to carry. Legally and practically.

However, I don't understand why some people think it's sometimes OK to drive on public roads even if someone is too wasted to safely wear a holstered handgun. (Not you, but they're out there.) I think attitudes like that are part of the reason why drunk drivers kill thousands of people in the USA each year. Many many more than drunks with guns.

I think the reason more people are killed by drunk drivers every year than are killed by drunk shooters is the law of averages. Many, many more people are driving than are owning guns.

I know folks who will have several drinks, appear quite sober and drive home from the eatery or bar they had drinks at. They would swear up and down they are good to go. The only thing standing between them and a involuntary manslaughter charge is luck.

E.Marquez wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote: Can anyone explain to me why we have folks who try like crazy to justify drinking and handling guns?? .

Have you seen that here? I have not.. What i have seen is.. people that actually understand the law as written, and believe, folks should operate within it, and the law should only enforce it as it is,, not as a few extremist wish it were.

The Law has a definition,, the law sates not to be intoxicated and carry.. Obey the law.. don't make up your own personal version and apply it to others.

Yes!! I see it here quite often. You included. But carry on. Again... I simply quoted from what the NRA itself recommends!! If that offends you, so be it. I made up nothing and quite frankly couldn't care less if you want to drink like a hobo and play Russian roulette. Have at it...

For the record. There happen to be many things the law does not forbid that are not very smart to do. For instance, there is no law against putting an "empty" revolver to my head and pulling the trigger. Telling people it is not a wise thing to do is not "making up my own laws".

03Lightningrocks wrote:Copy and paste from the NRA firearm safety rules list... "Never use alcohol or over-the-counter, prescription or other drugs before or while shooting.
Alcohol, as well as any other substance likely to impair normal mental or physical bodily functions, must not be used before or while handling or shooting guns."

I just realized part of the interpretation problem. In my post, I quoted the entire rule concerning the use of alcohol. In the copy and paste asking about people over the age of fifty, the line that would have answered that question best was left off. I have no idea why it was omitted. I put it back to help out. It is in red above.

Keith B wrote:

tbrown wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Oh... It's true alright. Copy and paste from the NRA firearm safety rules list... "Never use alcohol or over-the-counter, prescription or other drugs before or while shooting.

Most people I know over 50 take at least one "over-the-counter, prescription or other drug" daily. Do they need to go off their meds for a day to practice at the range? Should they have to give up carrying a handgun for self defense if they take OTC or Rx medicine regularly?

Depends on how the drug affects them. I know some people that can't take an OTC antihistamine like Benadryl without it making them loopy. If it impacts their ability to think clearly and make solid and sound decisions, then yes they should.

I take Lipitor for cholesterol and topral for blood pressure. I also take a few vitamin supplements. I am not sure which lobe it is that controls my common sense but for me it kicks in on occasions like this.

Not for nothing but I am fairly certain alcohol and Lipitor have very different affects on my ability to function.

Can anyone explain to me why we have folks who try like crazy to justify drinking and handling guns?? Why is it so hard to admit that drinking impairs mental function? At any level! It never fails. A thread about consuming alcohol while handling guns pops up and people will attempt to draw silly parallels with everything from eating tacos to brushing your teeth.

I can tell you this, in fourty years of deer hunting, I refuse to hunt on a place with people who consume alcohol while hunting or handling guns. I couldn't care less if THEY THINK they are sober or not. Edit to correct a mistake. Forgot I am an old guy... Fifty years of deer hunting if I count the years as a youth I hunted on "no alcohol allowed while handling guns or hunting" places.

RogueUSMC wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:One of our campers brought some Huckleberry wine to the cook-out tonight. Good thing I wasn't carryin', I might have 'started a fight or shot out some lights'.

Just so long as you kept your clothes on...what are YOU thankful for today?...lol

Bawaaahahahahahahaha! This is just way too much! That right there folks is why we shouldn't drink and play with guns!

Dadtodabone wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote: As for putting water in single malt... OMG!!! With one possible exception... A cask strength single malt... And then only a few drops.

I was fortunate to be invited to a private tasting at The Macallan, Speyside 11 years ago. Nosed from the barrel, then cut to about 130 with their spring water. Heaven!

Good thing you can't see me. You would notice my envy!

tacticool wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:The NRA says that alcohol and guns don't mix.

If that's true, why do they keep trying to sell me wine?

Oh... It's true alright. Copy and paste from the NRA firearm safety rules list... "Never use alcohol or over-the-counter, prescription or other drugs before or while shooting.
Alcohol, as well as any other substance likely to impair normal mental or physical bodily functions, must not be used before or while handling or shooting guns."

To answer why they would try sell you wine, I would venture a guess they expect a person old enough to buy wine to be old enough to know when and when not to consume it. I didn't know they sold wine. Interesting.

As for putting water in single malt... OMG!!! With one possible exception... A cask strength single malt... And then only a few drops.

You know? I just came up with a great idea!! A shooting range... With a bar!! I wonder if getting a liquor license would be hard for a shooting range? Imagine the fun!! The video alone would be worth a fortune on you tube!

Oldgringo wrote:Scotch on the rocks, if you please.

NEVER, WOULD I DO SUCH A THING!!! Single malt is to only be consumed NEAT.

The NRA says that alcohol and guns don't mix. I dunno... I tend to agree. Mostly though, I just wanted to be sure and get in on what has to be the five hundredths post about the exact same topic... Lol. Maybe we should make one of the "drunkin gun toter" threads a sticky.