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Yep... which hillbilly are you???Oldgringo wrote:One of the benefits of living in the boonies is that we don't need security guys. Do you remember the movie, "DELIVERANCE"?03Lightningrocks wrote:LOL... posts about people murdering pets always get out of wack. I think we all visualize that security guy blasting our own beloved pets. It is hard not to be emotional about it.Oldgringo wrote:Somebody get a lock and a key. Whoa, wait a minute, we don't need a key, we just need a lock.
LOL... posts about people murdering pets always get out of wack. I think we all visualize that security guy blasting our own beloved pets. It is hard not to be emotional about it.Oldgringo wrote:Somebody get a lock and a key. Whoa, wait a minute, we don't need a key, we just need a lock.
papajohn1964 wrote:Seriously? I have to say that I take great offense to your comments. That is just so prejudice!03Lightningrocks wrote:Great... then the insinuations of Police Officers making mistakes(by way of posting links to cops shooting dogs) must have just been to pass the time. It certainly has nothing to do with ego bloated rent a cops. Thanks for the clarification. Glad we agree that rent a cops haven't the training to be running around with loaded guns playing batman.TrueFlog wrote:I don't see anyone claiming that it does.03Lightningrocks wrote:You can post all the links you want about a policeman making a bad shoot... it does not change the fact that rent a cops are NOT properly trained to be acting as police officers.
There are cops that shouldn't be carrying a gun, lawyers that shouldn't be practicing law, doctors that shouldn't be practicing medicine and yes probably some ditch diggers that shouldn't have a shovel in their hand. There is almost always something bad on the news about a Teacher or a priest being improper with a child. I'm not sure what profession you are in but I'm sure that there are some people doing it that shouldn't be but I would never say that all of you are worthless. (unless your a Politician but there are even a few of them that are good)
First off I would like to point out that my license says Commissioned Security Officer not Rent a Cop or Guard. This license by the way is issued by the DPS Private Security Board, the same as the CHL folks.
Lack of training? My training was 40 hours including the range time and we have to renew every 2 years. There are a lot of folks on here that believe that the 10 hours for the CHL is too much so if we don't have enough training with our 40 hours so in your opinion we should all turn in our CHLs due to lack of training?
I was taught that as Security Officers we were a visual deterrent and our job is to observe and report and that is what I plan to do. If you want to rob my bank come on in. The tellers will be happy to give you everything they have. Don't hurt anybody or try to take my gun and I will hold the door open for you. I have never wanted to be a police officer and I don't think I am one now. I have no more rights than anybody else except that when I'm at work my firearm has to be out on the open. As soon as I get off duty my shirt comes off and the gun is concealed.
Under paid? You got that right brother! I'm not doing it for the money. I do it because after a heart attack last year my Cardiologist recommended a stress free job and here I am. I come to work and I go home. A big relief after 25+ years in management. Most of the guys at my Company are retired and do it for something to do and for play $.
You get what you pay for has always been my motto for most things but... I hope that you live in a city that has paid firefighters because you know how much those volunteer guys get paid? $0.00. And how much formal training do they get? Mostly 0. They train each other. If, God forbid, your house catches on fire I bet that you wouldn't turn down those under paid under trained men and women who come to put it out. And how about those reserve Police and Sheriffs out there working for nothing but the experience.
I would recommend that you think before you start berating an entire occupation because of a few bad ones. I am pretty sure that there are more Security Officers in Texas than there are Certified Police Officers but how often do you actually hear anything about us compared to them?
I am in no way defending the guy in the article, just the rest of us good Officers!!!
Count me as another who doesn't buy into the email.VMI77 wrote:I don't buy it either, the HOA has a vested interest in framing events to escape a lawsuit. The description doesn't even make sense. If the officer was at the door then the dog couldn't run outside towards the officer, since after his first couple of steps he'd be past him; and in order for the dog to need to be controlled he would have to be well outside --and the news report said he was in the flower bed which doesn't sound like he ran "at" anyone. Furthermore, just because the officer asked her to control the dog doesn't mean the dog was actually out of control, as their statement attempts to imply. It also fails to mention that he grabbed the woman, as reported in the news. That deliberate omission is an attempt to make it look like the dog acted without provocation, but it appears from combining the different version of events, that IF the dog lunged, he did so after the officer grabbed his owner.
I only have issues with armed security officers that over step their bounds. They typically don't have the proper training to be equated to a police officer. They are not even close. Mostly, I have a huge issue with a armed security guard behaving in the manner of this particular hot rod. Thank god the clown did not accidentally shoot the home owner. A bullet can easily penetrate through a dog and bounce off the ground hitting bystanders.Grog wrote:03Lightningrocks wrote:Glad we agree that rent a cops haven't the training to be running around with loaded guns playing batman.
Why do you have such an issue with security officers? Police officers receive more hours of training in many subjects, but do not ever make believe that they receive a heck of a lot more than armed security does in the actual use of firearms.
Actually it does. You made a point of how different hoods have different expectations of dogs. I was pointing out they don't.Rex B wrote:If you are going to quote me, your response should relate to what i said. It does not.03Lightningrocks wrote:
In my part of the world, goofballs don't shoot dogs on the street, much less in our front yards. I live in Plano...BTW...the exact neighborhood you describe. If anything, there is less chance some nut is going to start flipping out and firing rounds at my dog. That Barney Fife would be full of holes in my front yard with that same manuever!
In my part of the world, goofballs don't shoot dogs on the street, much less in our front yards. I live in Plano...BTW...the exact neighborhood you describe. If anything, there is less chance some nut is going to start flipping out and firing rounds at my dog. That Barney Fife would be full of holes in my front yard with that same manuever!Rex B wrote:Irrelevant.
My only point is this is a typical suburban, nice neighborhood, sidewalks etc. Gated community, with paid security?
If you are in such a neighborhood, your front yard is not fenced, dogs don't roam free, and you have a nice inviting walkway up to the front door "Welcome" mat, and a doorbell to press.
It's not a Red Alert event if someone walks up to your door. Maybe a yellow at best. And if you have pets, you take care they don't slip past you and get out when you open the door.
Everyone knows the rules are entirely different when you are visiting a rural house. Dogs run free, you don't approach the door unless you are seen and acknowledged, or you call from the vehicle before getting out. etc. This isn't that kind of neighborhood
No confrontation incident is 100% one-sided, except maybe in the movies.
No question we all would protect our family and property with whatever means are available to us.
This would be because the average security guard isn't smart enough to know he has to dump the dirt off the shovel before going in to get another scoop.steveincowtown wrote:When I was in costruction we had a temp service that we were required to use that supplied everything from security to day laborers.drjoker wrote:The problem with rent a cops is that these security companies are run by cheap, stingy corporations that only pay minimum wage. .
A guy that hat the skill set to "shovel dirt" cost me $13/ Hour
A secutiry guard that was trained/armed cost me $11.75/ Hour
I asked our Head Super for the area if it would be ok if I used armed guards to shovel dirt, to keep my cost in check.
...it didn't work out.
MoJo wrote:I will not live where there is a Homeowner Nazi Association. Rent-a-cops should only be unarmed watchmen. The amount of training an armed security guard receives is minuscule compared to what a sworn TECLOSE certified LEO has. If the Homeowner Nazi Association wants armed security hire off-duty-cops. The local police has a COP (citizens on patrol) program. They cannot have any type of weapon when they are on patrol. They have a marked car, a uniform shirt, police band walkie talkie, flash light and they are to call the real police if they encounter any trouble.
edit: I would be making arrangements with a lawyer to sue the pants off the homeowner's association, the security company and the rent-a-cop.
We had a Dalmation that would do that. He never bit anyone, but loved people. He would run right at them and had a weird "smile" he would get that looked like he was snarling. That dog was a trip. He ran away and never came home.jimlongley wrote:My (former) Ridgeback would have done something similar. She was always looking for a way to escape and eventually we got on to all of her tricks and (successfully) prevented her from repeating her escapades. One time she got out past me and pinned the mail route person back against the house as she happily insisted on being petted. But she looked MEAN!
Penny could be real protective of me, my wife, and the other dogs in the family, even the ones she bit in the house. A friend was over and made some sort of move that Penny apparently thought was threatening, and she chased him out of the room.
Should have seen her trying to rescue me from the pool. Deathly scared of water, but if I was in it, she would come after me and try to pull me out.
Great... then the insinuations of Police Officers making mistakes(by way of posting links to cops shooting dogs) must have just been to pass the time. It certainly has nothing to do with ego bloated rent a cops. Thanks for the clarification. Glad we agree that rent a cops haven't the training to be running around with loaded guns playing batman.TrueFlog wrote:I don't see anyone claiming that it does.03Lightningrocks wrote:You can post all the links you want about a policeman making a bad shoot... it does not change the fact that rent a cops are NOT properly trained to be acting as police officers.
No... it seems that way to me also. They act as if they have "batman" authority. Rent-a-cops should not be driving around with weapons. they obviously can't handle the responsibility. What the heck happened to the old days when a rent a cop was suppose to call the real police?Oldgringo wrote:Are armed security guards getting a lot of free press lately, or is it just me?