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by 03Lightningrocks
Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:39 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder
Replies: 91
Views: 13453

Re: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder

FastCarry wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:
FastCarry wrote:Despite him having come back to shoot him again, i really have to disagree with both the charge and the sentence...

how can the jury recommend life sentence? i just cant make sense of it, the criminal truly has more rights than joe stand-up citizen
This is what happens when a person crosses the line and moves from self defense to revenge. The criminal didn't have more rights than us "Joe Stand up Citizens". One ended up dead... and the other criminal ended up up with life in prison. The system has worked. "Joe Stand Up Citizen" does not pump rounds into a human being that is laying passed out on the floor.
i understand that, but thats why there are other charges besides 1st degree murder
I'm no lawyer but I am pretty sure revenge killing falls under the category of first degree murder. If one plots and plans it... and then carries out said plan... it is murder in the first degree. The pharmacist left the scene then decided to return. Upon his return, he decided that a good plan would be to get a fresh "load" and return to the guy on the floor and "teach him a lesson". I believe where the pharmacist blew it is when he thought about what he was going to do before doing it.

I believe it is a different offense, (manslaughter), when you get angry and blast a person without actually planning it. Manslaughter would be a spur of the moment kind of thing. Guy cheats you at poker so you pull your rod and blast him type killings.

Again... IANAL... so my little feelings won't get hurt if a lawyer type wants to correct me here. :mrgreen:
by 03Lightningrocks
Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:26 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder
Replies: 91
Views: 13453

Re: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder

Oldgringo wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:I'm not real sure why some posters here want to think the pharmacist was convicted based on some kind of accident or quirk in the law. Think folks!!! You pump rounds into a person who is no longer a threat, you need removed from society. There was NO reason to do that other than a complete lack of respect for human life. I am surprised the pharmacist hasn't already killed someone. I can't imagine what a vindictive person like that would do to my prescription if I made him mad.

It was no mistake. MOST folks believe cold blooded killing is wrong when it is not needed for self defense. I hope it is the belief of most of the posters on this forum too. Face it... this hot head got mad about being robbed and lost control of his temper. Thank god he is off the street. :cool: He is just as dangerous as guys who rob places. I sure am glad I never cut that guy off in traffic. An unstable person like that would shoot out my windows for sure.
Listen to the man. Getting one's windows shot out is no laughing matter.
What I find interesting is that if a police officer were to do the same thing this pharmacist did, there would be people calling for the police officers head. Better still, read the thread on this forum about the guy who was executed by the police in a Costco parking lot. Not many of us acted like the police were just "reacting to stress" in that thread. :cool:
by 03Lightningrocks
Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:05 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder
Replies: 91
Views: 13453

Re: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder

One more thought. Scenario for you fellow CHL's. I am in Wal-Greens messing around. I hear gun shots coming from the pharmacy. I manuever into position to figure out what is going on. By this time, Mr. "tough guy with a gun" has returned and all I see is him pumping rounds into a person laying on the floor. I am going to unload on him. All I know at this point is I am watching a person being shot who does not appear to be doing anything but laying on the floor.

I am not saying I would play batman and do this, but hearing gunfire, I might decide this qualifies as a reason to put on my cape. I sure would hate to learn that some nut was walking around the wal-greens blasting folks and I did nothing to stop him.
by 03Lightningrocks
Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:52 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder
Replies: 91
Views: 13453

Re: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder

I'm not real sure why some posters here want to think the pharmacist was convicted based on some kind of accident or quirk in the law. Think folks!!! You pump rounds into a person who is no longer a threat, you need removed from society. There was NO reason to do that other than a complete lack of respect for human life. I am surprised the pharmacist hasn't already killed someone. I can't imagine what a vindictive person like that would do to my prescription if I made him mad.

It was no mistake. MOST folks believe cold blooded killing is wrong when it is not needed for self defense. I hope it is the belief of most of the posters on this forum too. Face it... this hot head got mad about being robbed and lost control of his temper. Thank god he is off the street. :cool: He is just as dangerous as guys who rob places. I sure am glad I never cut that guy off in traffic. An unstable person like that would shoot out my windows for sure.
by 03Lightningrocks
Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:08 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder
Replies: 91
Views: 13453

Re: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder

FastCarry wrote:Despite him having come back to shoot him again, i really have to disagree with both the charge and the sentence...

how can the jury recommend life sentence? i just cant make sense of it, the criminal truly has more rights than joe stand-up citizen
This is what happens when a person crosses the line and moves from self defense to revenge. The criminal didn't have more rights than us "Joe Stand up Citizens". One ended up dead... and the other criminal ended up up with life in prison. The system has worked. "Joe Stand Up Citizen" does not pump rounds into a human being that is laying passed out on the floor.
by 03Lightningrocks
Mon May 30, 2011 3:57 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder
Replies: 91
Views: 13453

Re: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder

snatchel wrote:
b322da wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote: When a person takes it upon themselves to be judge, jury and executioner, nothing will protect them from prosecution. Not even a cop is allowed to do what this guy did. I bet a soldier would be facing charges if he made this same decision in war.
Absolutely true, Lightning. The jury in this case had to have found the facts in the case to be such that a soldier in the field facing the enemy doing the same thing would be guilty of both murder under the Uniform Code of Military Justice and violation of the Law of War.

Unfortunately for both our nation and the individual soldiers, we see more than one of these cases in our military justice system right now.

Elmo

Yep. Lots of folks call it "mercy killing." Once a target is down, you are required to stop aggression to the target and continue in the battle. If the battle has stopped, you are required to render aid to the downed target(s). Of course, the rules of engagement vary from unit to unit. Case in point, a lot of spec op units (Delta, SEAL, SWCC, RECON) shoot to kill, and we are taught to fire until the target is definately NOT going to get back up. Not exactly written anywhere, but you can read between the lines however you wish. Usama was no doubt shot twice. One in the chest, and one in the head to make SURE he was dead.
I bet Usama had those two holes in him before he ever hit the ground. :reddevil

P.S. Thanks for your service. :patriot:
by 03Lightningrocks
Mon May 30, 2011 2:09 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder
Replies: 91
Views: 13453

Re: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder

I am amazed any group would stand behind this guys actions. There is no way of defending what this guy did without appearing to favor vigilante justice.
by 03Lightningrocks
Sun May 29, 2011 2:04 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder
Replies: 91
Views: 13453

Re: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder

tbrown wrote:
Gunner21 wrote:I'm going to quote some on this Forum.

A CHL is a licence to Conceal Carry.
It was his place of business. Did he need a license in OKC?
When a person takes it upon themselves to be judge, jury and executioner, nothing will protect them from prosecution. Not even a cop is allowed to do what this guy did. I bet a soldier would be facing charges if he made this same decision in war.
by 03Lightningrocks
Sat May 28, 2011 3:14 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder
Replies: 91
Views: 13453

Re: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder

tacticool wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:There is self defense. Then there is revenge. Apparently, the difference is hard for some to understand. Even in this very forum.
True. Tracking down and killing a criminal after the fact is revenge. Shooting a robber during the robbery is self defense, unless they're 100% guaranteed no risk whatsoever anymore.

I can understand a manslaughter conviction, but the robbers are the ones who premeditated, not the pharmacist. They're the ones who put on ski masks and threatened innocent people. They're the ones who precipitated the whole thing. Charge the other robber and the getaway driver with 1st degree murder, not the robbery victims.
I get and agree with what your saying but I also realize that if I pump rounds in a stopped threat, I risk being seen as having extracted revenge. In a case where the BG has caused harm to my friends or loved ones I don't mind doing the time. For material possessions I am not liking the risk/reward factor. Maybe a way of looking at it is that "Two wrongs don't make a right".
by 03Lightningrocks
Sat May 28, 2011 2:41 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder
Replies: 91
Views: 13453

Re: UPDATE: OKC pharmacist convicted of 1st degree murder

There is self defense. Then there is revenge. Apparently, the difference is hard for some to understand. Even in this very forum.

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