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Weg wrote:Merced California, home of the true BB gun warriors...

My GAWD!!! They allowed BB guns in Kalifornia??? Everyone knows BB guns are a "gateway gun" for other more powerful firearms!

Weg wrote:Thanks God someone invented airsoft guns and paintball, I remember when I was a kid we had BB gun wars. I once got a bb lodged in my chin.. Someone was cheating and pumped their gun over 2 times, and to think I did all this even after hearing the story from my father who was shot in his eye with a bb gun doing the same thing and lost 50% of his eye site? Kids will kids, not sure what the legality is in a public park but I for one have no problem with kids playing war with painball guns and airsoft.

You too? We considered having a pump an advantage to be waisted not. No rules about how many pumps because while you were pumping, the Daisy guys were pumping you full of led. We got into a BB gun war with the kids down the block and used cardboard as our "shield" as we approached. Of coarse It didn't work so well. My brother took one in the gut and dropped his end of the cardboard leaving us all exposed. By the time we got out of range, we looked like the chicken pox had descended upon us. One of the neighbors called the cops after someone got the idea to fill a bottle full of gas, light it and chunk it in the other sides direction. Air soft!!!! Humpfa! Kids these days are pansies!!!

Thank god Fangs wasn't born yet and watching. He would have blasted us all. J/K Fangs... .



Edit... hey... wait a minute! You didn't live in Pasadena, did you?

Beiruty wrote:It should be clear that if someone is using a toy gun or bb to rob or threat someone the response can be deadly by CHLer. In the case of the kids in the park, no hint or thought of deploying deadly gorce was ever considered and threat of calling the police was just a scare tactic.

Duly NOTED!!! Good grief, I hope the smoke did not cause anyone to believe you considered shooting those kids! The point I was trying to make? Innocent citizens are not at a higher risk of accidental shooting simply because we have 2% of our population holding a CHL. Hopefully it would be just the opposite, since we are better trained and more knowledgeable.Some doofus pointing a gun in a persons face may be at higher risk... but children playing war in a park absolutely are not at higher risk. No more than any other place in the country. Unless one subscribes to a belief that stricter gun laws means safer streets. In any case the two discussion don't correlate in any way. Innocent children playing in the park does not deserve comparison to nut job pointing gun in threatening manner.

I am sorry if you thought I was implying anything about you considering such a moronic action. I actually understood why you reacted the way you did. I would have told them to knock it off myself. I probably wouldn't have threatened to call the cops, but that is not to say I think you did anything wrong.

Well Fangs, by your argument, we should immediately cancel the CHL program. My goodness, we can't have innocent children being killed by irresponsible CHL holders. If we just make a CHL illegal, all the concealed handguns will immediately be gone and no innocent children will be at risk.

Sounds kind of silly, doesn't it? Some folks make posts on this forum, not realizing, they sound like arguments for outlawing CC. I can think of no better reason to outlaw C.C. than to establish a relationship between higher risk of accidental shootings and number of citizens holding a CHL.


PS...Please quit trying to draw a parallel between kids in a park and some doofus pointing a gun in a persons face and at the police in a threatening manner. It is very important you know the difference if your going to carry a handgun and not become the argument for outlawing the CHL.

Quite frankly, I have no idea why your doing this or what point your trying to make. Different situations call for different responses and as a CHL holder, we have a responsibility to recognize this!

Fangs wrote:To quote you from Taco Bell shooting thread: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=43376

03Lightningrocks wrote:He is lucky those cops were not better shots. I can't believe he didn't get killed by them! The world has definitely gone mad! From the story he looked to be getting ready to wage war on the place. I am afraid I would have blasted him before he could get those weapons in action. Pointing the gun at me and pulling the trigger would just make me think it misfired and I better respond quickly or die with a follow up round. BB gun would not have entered my mind. Just curious, how many of you would have fired at that guy if you were the person at the window and carrying concealed?

From your previous post in this thread I'm having a hard time understanding whether you agree with me and yourself from the other thread, or not.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, and if you'll notice I gave examples of LEOs mistaking all manner of things to be guns with fatal results. You'd think they would be even better trained to handle such situations than CHLers.

All I was saying is that I can definitely see why someone would be more weary of running around with what appears to be a gun in a state where 2% of the regular citizens carry. It's not an argument against CHL, IMHO, it's an argument against stupid behavior.

The two posts have nothing to do with each other. We are talking two kids with airsoft guns that were not threatening anyone or are we talking about a guy who not only displayed multiple guns in a threatening manner to a taco bell employee, he also displayed in a threatening manner to the cops.

I hope you and others here know the difference between a threatening situation and a passive one! Oh yeah... and not just because this is Texas! and...I never said someone could not get shot by displaying a toy gun! I said it is NOT MORE LIKELY BECAUSE FOLKS HAVE A CHL!!!!! My point here was that some folks in this thread, seem to associate a CHL with a higher risk of an accidental shooting. I strongly disagree with you and others on that. I believe a CHL causes most of us to be more cautious about entering confrontation.

Fangs wrote: I can definitely see why someone would be more weary of running around with what appears to be a gun in a state where 2% of the regular citizens carry.

Wow! That sounds like an argument for ending CHL's. You just drilled in on the point I was making. More CHL holders = higher risk of innocent lives being taken???? Just for the record, I disagree completely. Isn't a CHL holder suppose to be more educated and responsible than the average non-CHL holder?

Beiruty wrote:Ok, I was refering to that fact that in Texas citzens could be armed, we do have a CHL. Not like in Cali, NY or illinous or other Anti states. I know there are many more other states that have a CHL/shall issue.

Oh... I see. I was just feeling a little bit like I do when someone refers to me as "you people". It makes me want to ask what they have against really good looking 50 year old white guys.

Beiruty wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:I can't quit hanging on your words that "You can get shot. This is Texas". Can you esplain this one to me? I thought it was possible to get shot anywhere... except Kalifornia, where shooting folks is clearly against the law.

I meant if the kid was pointing what look like a black rifle at someone who might be armed, the armed person may draw on the poor kid as his action could be considered a threat.

This was the comment I am curious about.

Beiruty wrote: 2) If you point what appears like a rifle you could get shot, or worse get killed. This is Texas!

Because this is Texas? I know you meant the kid could get shot by pointing a gun at someone but I don't get the thinking that this is due to being in Texas.

By the way. i think the Op handled it well. I remember reading of folks in this forum throwing down on Mormons for handing out Jesus Cd's. At least the Op didn't post up about how he almost pulled his weapon... . I wouldn't have threatened calling the cops. I certainly would have told them in very stern words to knock it off.

I can't quit hanging on your words that "You can get shot. This is Texas". Can you esplain this one to me? I thought it was possible to get shot anywhere... except Kalifornia, where shooting folks is clearly against the law.