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Freedom4All wrote:

PSLOwner wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

mr surveyor wrote:I think it's hilarious how the left villianizes Palin for "bringing down" McCain. That is just laughable drivel. McCain brought down McCain.

The only thing I will say about Paliin is that she didn't do much to help him, but quite frankly.... I don't think anyone could have helped him win. Romney is who we needed to clean up this economic mess and in my humble opinion that idiot Huckleberry not admitting his defeat split the conservative vote and left us with a dude who wears diapers.

I know one thing... if there is anything left of democracy after this socialist president is done destroying it in a couple more years, the Republicans better come up with someone younger to compete with the pseudo cool crowd who thinks it makes them hip to vote for Odumbell.

Is it possible for you to make a post without the uber clever "Odumbell" reference? Did someone tell you that was funny at one time, and you keep making that reference?

And, for the record, Obama is not a socialist, communist, facist or whatever label is being applied to him by talk radio nation. His politics are in the "left zone" compared to tea baggers, but the labels being applied to him would be humorous if there were not drones who actually believed that.

Classic hypocrisy!

handog wrote:

Liberty wrote:I am amazed that anyone would beleve that W. had an IQ of 91. While they claim that Clinton was 182.
I guess my mom was right when she said, "People will believe what they want to believe."

Thank you for sharing the quote. Please disregard my previous post and by all means continue to enlighten us all in your infinite wisdom.

bdickens wrote:Bush is at least an honest and decent man whether or not you agree with him.

Purplehood wrote:Obama = Socialist. Yes, he may be intelligent but he is also nefarious and belongs in the same category as his socialist benefactor George Soros.
Bush = My Momma said if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything.

idrathernot wrote: Additionally, do you honestly believe that Obama is "the dumbest person on the planet when it comes to common sense"? Do you really think people can be elected POTUS without any "common sense"? He knows exactly what he is doing and has been planning it for quite some time, every piece of legislation that he signs is methodical and deliberate.

TEX wrote:Odumbell, although evil, is not stupid. If he gets elected to a second term (lame duck), I think he will push forward on gun control. He knows doing so now might kill any chance of a re-election. Hopefully after Nov 2010, he will be neutered and this won't be a concern.

MadMonkey wrote:

PSLOwner wrote:And, for the record, Obama is not a socialist, communist, fascist or whatever label is being applied to him by talk radio nation.

....yeah.

Like when he says "At some point I do believe you've made enough money"...

Fangs wrote:Socialist - a political advocate of socialism

Socialism - a political theory advocating state ownership of industry

Who owns General Motors these days? Oh, yeah, I believe 60% of GM is owned by the U.S. Treasury.

Totally looks like Obama's a socialist by this simple definition, and that's not even bringing up health care. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

As always, I'm not trying to be mean, that's just how I see it, and I am open to other points of view.

mr surveyor wrote:I think it's hilarious how the left villianizes Palin for "bringing down" McCain. That is just laughable drivel. McCain brought down McCain.

marksiwel wrote:So okay 2 years of Democrat Congress, so they only had 8 years where the could have passed ANYTHING they wanted, had the Supreme Court hold it up if needed, and have the White House back it.

Mostly the problem with the Bush whitehouse when it came to Economics is they wouldnt face reality. People were kicked out for suggesting the Iraq war would cost too much (And even then the numbers they gave were way to low!) Paul O'Niell was kicked out for warning people about deficits. Yeah part of the problem was the Democrat led Housing Bust, but lets not forget the Massive debt Bush put us in, and the Bailouts he signed before leaving.

The Iraq War was led badly, we should have sent more people in, we did NOTHING when they started Looting in the streets, we had no after action plans. It was a mess. Compound that with False intelligence, over-eagerness, the poor treatment of allies, it was a farce that cost too many people their lives.

Obama got elected because 1. He was Black 2. People were sick of the mess we had gotten in over the last 8 years 3. Sarah Palin.

Bush/Obama its more of the same with a different Mask on

Oldgringo wrote:For those old enough to remember, or smart enough to recognize; it was the un-declared and uncalled for war in Iraq along with the Republican's failure to address domestic issues; e.g., the failing economy, Social Security, Medicare, Health Care, RKBA, bank and mortgage company failures, etc. ad nauseum, that got Obama elected.

What say you that?

PSLOwner wrote:Am I messing with anyone, uh no. All I saw in the first link was one questionnaire, did not see all the other information until the last post, hence me thanking someone for posting it.

PSLOwner wrote:

lawrnk wrote:
Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions. (Aug 2008)
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
April 2008: "Bittergate" labeled Obama elitist. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

2007 In 2007 Gun Owners of America gave President Obama a grade of F.

2006 President Obama supported the interests of the Gun Owners of America 100 percent in 2006.

2005 President Obama supported the interests of the Gun Owners of America 0 percent in 2005.

2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned President Obama a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned President Obama a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

1998 Based on a questionnaire and the votes that National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund considered to be the most important in 1998, they have assigned President Obama a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F-).


And THIS below is only up until 2004.
* 1994 to 2001 – Obama was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. This foundation is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the country.
* 1996 – Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
* 1999 – Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. This tax would effectively punish gun owners for buying guns and ammunition.
* 2003 – Obama voted in support of legislation that would have banned privately owned hunting shotguns, target rifles and black powder rifles in Illinois.
* 2004 – Obama voted against legislation intended to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.

Yikes....... those are some pretty disappointing facts, to put it mildly. Thanks for posting them. I just prefer discussing things when I see the facts rather than emotions when discussing political issues.

So, is the plan for the NRA and other lobby groups to keep the status quo and hope for a different party in the next election? Since party control of the house and senate ebb and flow with each election, I doubt that the democrats will have a "filibuster" proof majority.

PSLOwner wrote:Hmmmm, interesting and disturbing reading.....

I think I am glad the saying, "cannot put toothpaste back in the tube" probably protects our gun rights more than any politician, right or left wing. Probably explains why ammo and guns are so hard to find on the story shelves. Once they are in our hand, there is no way they can get them back.

PSLOwner wrote: If he was really intent on banning hand guns (which he could never do), why sign that bill. He is a democrat and they dont have the best history on gun rights (to put it mildly!), so we have to be aware, but I think we can do it with resorting to rumors.

lawrnk wrote:

PSLOwner wrote:Hey, maybe the fat laws will lead to the "diet chicken mcnugget". Think of the marketing potential!

But yeah, I DID vote for Obama (needed a change after Bush and McCain ran 8 years too late), but I dont trust any of them farther than I can throw them.... well, maybe less than I can throw them.

Good thing about elections every four years, if you dont like what you see...... do something about it.

Hey, its ok. I voted for McCain. And I held my dang nose while doing it. Most of us did. McCain's a fine man. A war hero even. Generally, I like the man. I love his opinion on right to life, his service... I dislike his infidelity, gun show loop holes, and despicable opinion on the borders. But...we all make mistakes. Odds are, and your profile shows nada, that you are under 30, and maybe you got swept in to the hype. No ones perfect.