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Crossfire wrote:You guys are getting woefully off-topic, even for the off-topic forum.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

OldCurlyWolf wrote:

seamusTX wrote:Residents of a apartment complex in Bethany, Oklahoma (OK City area) ignored a man who was lying on the ground unconscious. One stated that he thought the man was drunk.

Police eventually were called hours later and found that the man had been shot in the head. He was brought to a hospital in critical condition.

http://newsok.com/bethany-shooting-vict ... le/3380442" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- Jim

Bethany is the home of Southern Nazarene University and a BIG church town. Probably has a 60+% population attending church on Sunday. And about 90% of them would not walk 5 feet to check on someone they thought was drunk or otherwise impaired. One reasons why I do not believe in churches. HYPOCRITES!!!

For what it's worth, I'm a worship leader and faithfully attend my church, and I don't believe in churches either. I believe in the reason for going to church....and that is to worship the most high God. I have to take issue with what you've said here. Who is it who ministers to the homeless, the drunk and downtrodden? Christian believers, that's who. Who brings food to those people, tries to find them medicine, shelter, and clothing? Christian believers, that's who. Who donates most or all of the money to pay for these services? Christian believers, that's who. I don't see any atheists down there in the trenches trying to help someone in dire need. I'm just sayin'.....

You've painted a whole lot of good people with a pretty broad brush, and I don't believe that you have a properly informed opinion when you say that 90% of the churchgoers in a given town wouldn't go 5 feet out of their way to try and help someone who is laying in the street. Sure, maybe some wouldn't, but my experience is the exact opposite of that, and the empirical evidence backs up my opinion. Your's is merely a justification for something that's bothering you, because you're angry at God about something. That's between you and Him.

Do churches have hypocrites in them? Sure they do. That doesn't mean that all churchgoers are hypocrites. Not even close. Churches also have alcoholics, sex addicts, and drug abusers in them—just like in the rest of the world—but that doesn't mean that 90% of church goers are alcoholics, sex addicts, and drug abusers. Why is that, you might ask, that sinners can be found in churches? It is because CHURCHES ARE ALSO HOSPITALS FOR SINNERS, NOT ONLY HOTELS FOR SAINTS! The Bible says that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23), and that includes both church-goers and non-churchgoers.

By your logic, you might as well never vote in another election, because government is full of hypocrites. You might as well never put your money in a bank, because some bank managers are hypocrites. Etc., etc., etc. Of COURSE some of them are. It's part of the human condition. But to say that 90% of churchgoers in a given town wouldn't walk 5 feet to see if someone laid out on the ground was OK or not, is not only a gross exaggeration, it's kind of a pathetic reason for not dealing with your own issues with God. Sorry. I have to call 'em like I see 'em. I most sincerely hope for the sake of your own spiritual health that you are able to resolve that anger at Him.

sjfcontrol wrote:

seamusTX wrote:Always think dead first.

Tag line of the day!

seamusTX wrote:In Marina Del Rey, Florida, a man apparently shot himself in the head on the balcony of his appartment early this week. His body was draped over the railing for four days. Neighbors thought it was a Halloween display.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-m ... 1861.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- Jim