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clarionite wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 1:28 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:34 am I have to say this. Sometimes we make mistakes and we learn from them. Other times we make mistakes that we pay for and everybody else learns from them. Standing in your front yard firing off a rifle is never a smart move. EVER! At least not if you live in a suburb. Now my SIL's parents lived on 80 acres out in Paradise Texas. It was not alarming to hear a gunshot go off outside at their place. It was often some coyote getting shot while trying to still the family chickens.

While I agree it's not optimal to be outside shooting in, I can think of scenarios where that would be the best choice of bad choices.

Primarily would be home invaders inside the home and you're putting ground between you and them. If the façade of the home is masonry you may also be getting a bit of cover.

I cover in my LTC class being aware of the situation and that you may not be able to tell the bad guy from the good in a quick assessment. Primary example would be coming around the corner and seeing a person on the ground with another on/over them with a gun drawn. Who knows if the one on the ground was an attacker and the other had just managed to gain control of the situation before you rounded the corner. Another example I give is a van pulling up to the mall and someone jumping out and grabbing a 13 year old girl. That could be a runaway's parents having just located her. I advise my students to be a good witness when you can, and be hesitant to pull the trigger unless your or your loved ones lives are imminently in danger. I handle that in a 6 hour class, of students that statistically will never have to use the training. I'm flabbergasted that in a profession that every day could result in you having to make those choices they don't get more training.

I am not reading much in your reply that pertains to standing outside in a suburb firing a rifle. Not only is it illegal, it is dangerously stupid. As this feller just learned. This was not related to any of the situations you mentioned in your second paragraph. This was a guy who was standing outside his home firing a rifle towards it while shouting. How the heck would any cop or any other person know you lived in the home you were firing at?

I do think it sounds like the cop shot the guy before giving him a chance to drop his weapon but that is the human part of the situation. This cop should be terminated at the least and possibly be charged criminally if the facts point in that direction but it does not change the dumb move of standing outside in a suburb firing off a rifle.

I have to say this. Sometimes we make mistakes and we learn from them. Other times we make mistakes that we pay for and everybody else learns from them. Standing in your front yard firing off a rifle is never a smart move. EVER! At least not if you live in a suburb. Now my SIL's parents lived on 80 acres out in Paradise Texas. It was not alarming to hear a gunshot go off outside at their place. It was often some coyote getting shot while trying to still the family chickens.

OneGun wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 3:36 pm I was following this story on another forum and reviewing the video released by the police. In the video, specifically the Ring camera, the man is firing his gun into his home and is talking into the house as if someone is there. We don't know if anyone was actually there. When the police arrive, the officer fires the instant he says to drop the gun. The lack of any time to react is confirmed by the BWC audio. He shoots the moment he commands the man to drop the gun. This is a point the DA will use to bring charges against the cop. We never learn if there was anyone in the house that may have run out the back. My only issue with the police response is the lack of time for the man to comply with the order to drop the gun. The man had no chance.

I can't disagree with that but the human factor can get you shot any time a cop draws a gun on you. When I was 16, I was riding my ten speed home late at night after getting off work. Plano was much smaller in those days. A cop pulled up fast on my rear, jumped from his car and ordered me to get on the ground. Soon I was surrounded by a half dozen cops with guns drawn. I was scared out of my mind. They suddenly all took off but one cop and told me to get up. Some guy had robbed a convenience store 15-30 minutes earlier. He put the lady in the cooler section and sliced her up with a knife. He escaped on a ten speed bike! Any one of those cops could have gotten scared or nervous and squeezed off a round. This stuff happens. The cop obviously must be fired at the least and have some kind of charges filed against him. They can't allow it to go unpunished. Whether it is accidental or not. That is if the evidence shows the cop screamed drop the gun and then fired right after that.

This is a tricky one. According to that article, the man had fired rounds off at his own house. That in itself is deadly behavior. I can see how a very nervous cop would be afraid and possibly over react. You can't just stand outside, or inside, your home and start firing off random rounds. If it turns out he was not firing the rifle, we have a whole different story.

Random related story. At 25, I was awoken from a dead sleep by my then wife telling me in a terrified voice that someone was trying to break into our front door. I grabbed my 12 gage and took a position just around the corner from the entry hall. The door was open and it bumped twice against the chain lock. I screamed, get away from the door. It then did three more bumps and I fired off a round at head level. Police arrive just after. 911 tells her to instruct me to put the gun down. Cops knock on door and ask if this dog was mine. There was a lost cute dog running around in the front that was trying to get in. He thought it was his home. Cops told me to never fire a gun through a closed door and left. I learned a valuable lesson that night about controlling my fears. Thank god it was not some drunk guy confused about it being his home. It was a Fox and Jacobs hood and many of the homes looked exactly alike.