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I completely understand your bias. Unfortunately, law enforcement has become so corrupt, from the top all the way to the bottom, the line is stepped over more often than not. In this particular case, just like at Waco, all they had to do was wait for the person they had a warrant for to exit the house. If they had the resources to storm the home like Nazi storm troopers, they had the resources to watch for the person they wanted to show up.

I am not sure why you went off on what criminals signed up for. I said nothing about criminals and the risk they take. As a matter of fact, I feel that anyone breaking the law or resisting arrest deserves what they get. I said that police officers know what they signed up for. Violating the constitution in the name of officer safety is unacceptable.

What I am completely against is no-knock warrants. "The War on Drugs" lead to this abuse and has become pretty profitable for law enforcement agencies. So profitable, I believe the main goal is to find as much cash as they can. These agencies know they can't stop drugs and they have found a way to profit from it. I believe there are many officers with their heart in the right place but the leadership wants that money.

We don't know if the guy was sleeping with a gun in his hand and it is not against the law to do this. That is the wording of the folks who shot the wrong guy. Maybe it was laying on the floor or table near him and he had grabbed it when he heard them fidgeting with the lock on the door. Like any one of us would do if we heard someone messing around at our front door in the middle of the night.

Ruark wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:28 pm All good posts here, so let's be a little proactive: what SHOULD be the specific conditions for allowing a no-knock entry? What about forced entry AFTER knocking? Say they bang on the door X times, wait X number of minutes, then are justified in busting in... with the bad guys waiting in a dark corner with a sawed-off....?

It is a cops job to risk their lives. It is not the publics job to sacrifice constitutional freedom for them to be safe. They knew the job when they signed up for it. There are no words that disgust me more than, "for officers safety". They use those words right before violating the constitution of the united states. The one they swore to uphold in their oath they took. Too many never took that oath seriously. most probably don't even remember that they swore to this as they violate free Americans rights.

It seems to me that the big problem with "no-knock" warrants is that far to often they are used when not called for and then they are used at wrong addresses. This is the United States of America. The "good guys" are only the "good guys' when they work within the guidelines laid out by our constitution. Violating Americans rights in the name of enforcing the law is not acceptable.

philip964 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:11 pm https://apnews.com/article/amir-locke-s ... 0ab1748369

No knock warrant. Man with CHL shot and killed on couch under a blanket had his weapon in his hand with finger pointed.

He was not the subject of the warrant.

https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-m ... amir-locke

This has the video in slow motion and in real time to show how quickly he was killed.

I don't like no knock warrants.

And he was African American.

No knock warrants must be outlawed. Police agencies are abusing the power of these things and far too many innocent people are being killed during them. I promise you, a no knock warrant at my house WILL be a shoot out! My door comes flying open with a bunch of nazi storm troopers screaming and yelling and my first thought won't be cops.