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cirus wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 6:53 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 6:17 pm

cirus wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 5:59 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:52 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 9:31 am

srothstein wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:43 pm I have to point out that as small as it was (and not something I would ever care to carry), it did what he needed it to do. It convinced the one organizer to start pushing her crowd back out of the restaurant which avoided him having to shoot anyone.

I am a firm believer that if he had opened fire, most of the crowd, probably even those with guns, would have turned and run. Take the lead person out of the fight and most of the others will also leave.

I agree with the highlighted statement in large measure. That is the difference between troops and a mob; training and motivation matter, a lot.

I don't think so. Some or many would run but the folks with the AR15's would have opened fire. Unless they were the first two he shot. These BLM/Antifa protestors are on a mission. They see themselves as freedom fighters. They have a pretty high level of commitment. It is not the same as a couple ghetto stick up guys. Kenosha was a prime example of what is likely to happen. The only running was the poor kid trying to defend himself. How many on this forum would turn and run if someone fired in your direction and you were armed with an AR? And in the current political climate, it would have been called self defense if they killed the old guy.

If I'm fired on and armed with a AR I intend to win. If it gets so bad that I need a AR to defend myself I'm not worried about the law. They're may not be any law to worry about.

Exactly how BLM/Antifa are thinking. The only difference is they have the commitment to fight for what they want and we don't have that consensus yet on our side. At some point we are all going to have to fight fire with fire. Like it or not. Otherwise, we will all still be yammering on, on this forum, while we are living in a communist country.

The difference is they have the law on their side. When we start playing by their rules, which is none, we'll win. Like General Sherman said about war " the crueler it is the sooner it will be over "

cirus wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 5:59 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:52 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 9:31 am

srothstein wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:43 pm I have to point out that as small as it was (and not something I would ever care to carry), it did what he needed it to do. It convinced the one organizer to start pushing her crowd back out of the restaurant which avoided him having to shoot anyone.

I am a firm believer that if he had opened fire, most of the crowd, probably even those with guns, would have turned and run. Take the lead person out of the fight and most of the others will also leave.

I agree with the highlighted statement in large measure. That is the difference between troops and a mob; training and motivation matter, a lot.

I don't think so. Some or many would run but the folks with the AR15's would have opened fire. Unless they were the first two he shot. These BLM/Antifa protestors are on a mission. They see themselves as freedom fighters. They have a pretty high level of commitment. It is not the same as a couple ghetto stick up guys. Kenosha was a prime example of what is likely to happen. The only running was the poor kid trying to defend himself. How many on this forum would turn and run if someone fired in your direction and you were armed with an AR? And in the current political climate, it would have been called self defense if they killed the old guy.

If I'm fired on and armed with a AR I intend to win. If it gets so bad that I need a AR to defend myself I'm not worried about the law. They're may not be any law to worry about.

Exactly how BLM/Antifa are thinking. The only difference is they have the commitment to fight for what they want and we don't have that consensus yet on our side. At some point we are all going to have to fight fire with fire. Like it or not. Otherwise, we will all still be yammering on, on this forum, while we are living in a communist country.

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 9:31 am

srothstein wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:43 pm I have to point out that as small as it was (and not something I would ever care to carry), it did what he needed it to do. It convinced the one organizer to start pushing her crowd back out of the restaurant which avoided him having to shoot anyone.

I am a firm believer that if he had opened fire, most of the crowd, probably even those with guns, would have turned and run. Take the lead person out of the fight and most of the others will also leave.

I agree with the highlighted statement in large measure. That is the difference between troops and a mob; training and motivation matter, a lot.

I don't think so. Some or many would run but the folks with the AR15's would have opened fire. Unless they were the first two he shot. These BLM/Antifa protestors are on a mission. They see themselves as freedom fighters. They have a pretty high level of commitment. It is not the same as a couple ghetto stick up guys. Kenosha was a prime example of what is likely to happen. The only running was the poor kid trying to defend himself. How many on this forum would turn and run if someone fired in your direction and you were armed with an AR? And in the current political climate, it would have been called self defense if they killed the old guy.

cirus wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 7:45 pm He's one of those old guys that won't carry in a holster. They want something small enough to carry in their pocket.

I remember when I use to think one of those old guys referred to someone around forty. Now it makes me think of someone around eighty.

howdy wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 5:59 pm Look at the gun this guy pulls on BLM protestors that entered the restaurant where he was eating. The article says several BLM members were visibly armed:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/louisville-r ... ucky-derby

I saw that on Facebook. It became apparent he was outgunned very fast. I am not so sure pulling a gun on that big of a mob is the right answer. One guy with a hand gun could quickly be over whelmed by them, even if they did not have guns. Personally, as much as I would love to just obliterate several of those terrorists, I would likely just make my get away and live to fight another day.

As a side note. I am disgusted by the media referring to these terrorists as "protestors". They are rioters! Our city governments need to start shutting these thugs down when they cross the line over to bullying and intimidating citizens. Where the heck were the cops???