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Schleprock wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:46 pm

Oldgringo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:07 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:29 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:27 am http://fox17.com/news/local/council-on- ... te-symbols

I am familiar with the Old Testament view towards slavery.

Anyone know the Koran’s view on slavery?

Some Muslims in other parts of the world may be OK with it and still do it today in those parts of the world; but I think that most 1st World Muslims would not be OK with it, and would generally think of traditional Muslim concepts like the Dhimmi as being incompatible with modern societies. In fact, I would argue that this is the reason why the most militant and terroristic Islamist factions are almost universally trying to bring their societies back to the dark ages. They know that their version of Islam cannot exist in a modern free society, where people have a classically liberal education and free access to information. I would also argue that this is why our own illiberal left seeks to de-platform and bully the opposition into fearful silence. It’s because they know that their ideology cannot compete in the free market of ideas. So they shut the market down and try to eliminate the people's exposure to freedom of thought. And that is the danger when ANY predominantly Muslim society (or ANY other religion, for that matter) tries to convert its gov’t from a secular one, to a theocratic one—even if that secular gov’t, like our own, was founded on certain Judeo-Christian ideas of justice and rights while remaining secular in basic nature. A hard leftist gov’t has all the same hallmarks as an illiberal theocratic one. In other words, leftism is a fundamentalist religion, insulated from and immune to reason.

Anytime a society does that, it devolves to thinking of its members and the fruits of their labor as property of the state....de facto slavery. The jump from that to believing that one can own and traffic in other human beings is a small one.

I think I agree with TAM; however, in 25 words or less, TAM is saying....?

I’ll make a feeble attempt at an oversimplification with all apologies to the ever eloquent TAM...

Groups, whether religious or political, that crave power seize the narrative by masking their true intentions and condemning those they seek to control.

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:29 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:27 am http://fox17.com/news/local/council-on- ... te-symbols

I am familiar with the Old Testament view towards slavery.

Anyone know the Koran’s view on slavery?

Some Muslims in other parts of the world may be OK with it and still do it today in those parts of the world; but I think that most 1st World Muslims would not be OK with it, and would generally think of traditional Muslim concepts like the Dhimmi as being incompatible with modern societies. In fact, I would argue that this is the reason why the most militant and terroristic Islamist factions are almost universally trying to bring their societies back to the dark ages. They know that their version of Islam cannot exist in a modern free society, where people have a classically liberal education and free access to information. I would also argue that this is why our own illiberal left seeks to de-platform and bully the opposition into fearful silence. It’s because they know that their ideology cannot compete in the free market of ideas. So they shut the market down and try to eliminate the people's exposure to freedom of thought. And that is the danger when ANY predominantly Muslim society (or ANY other religion, for that matter) tries to convert its gov’t from a secular one, to a theocratic one—even if that secular gov’t, like our own, was founded on certain Judeo-Christian ideas of justice and rights while remaining secular in basic nature. A hard leftist gov’t has all the same hallmarks as an illiberal theocratic one. In other words, leftism is a fundamentalist religion, insulated from and immune to reason.

Anytime a society does that, it devolves to thinking of its members and the fruits of their labor as property of the state....de facto slavery. The jump from that to believing that one can own and traffic in other human beings is a small one.