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At what age is one expected to grow up and be responsible for one's actions? Somewhere in our Bible, it is suggested that 12 is the '....age of accountability'.... I'm okay with that.WildBill wrote: {snippety doo dah}
A couple of posts have suggested that she is spoiled or led a sheltered life. Isn't it possible that she is just immature?
WildBill wrote:SewTexas wrote:you guys seem to want a teenage girl to react to being grabbed from behind like a 50 year old man! You want her to have the Situational Awareness that has taken you a lifetime to develop. she was a College Student!!!! A Teenager!!!! A Kid! she could be anywhere from 18 to 22? possibly older, but statistically not. She wasn't a middle-aged man, she wasn't going to react like one, like I said earlier, the cop knew where he was setting up, he should have been prepared.I think she would be upset if you called her a "girl".Amanda Jo Stephen, 24, was jogging along an Austin, Texas, road with her headphones on when a police officer grabbed her.
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A 24 year old woman acting like a 12 year old spoiled girl leads me to think that she has led a very sheltered, me-first life. She should, and will, sue their socks off. AFAIK, there is no law against being a dolt; however, there are several laws against sexual harassment and civil rights encroachment. She will get new running shoes.mamabearCali wrote:WildBill wrote:MechAg94 wrote:At first, I visualized an officer catching up to her and grabbing/tapping her shoulder to get her attention and letting her turn around and see that cops are trying to stop her. In that case, someone might jump or freak out for a couple seconds, but should calm down once they realize they are looking at a cop, not some mugger.
Hard to miss Walton and Johnson in the morning.Sometimes they help me cope with my long commute.
I can see the women being upset. This was probably her first contact with an LEO in this type of situation. I can see her being very upset, but she needs to work on her "emotional intelligence". Maybe this arrest will give her a little more perspective. That said, I hope that they drop all of the charges and just keep the citation for jaywalking. I don't think that she is a menace to society. I can also hope that this incident won't taint her long term feels toward law enforcement.
You bet your butt she is tainted probably for life. Women do not forget. Women do not trust once that trust has been lost. You attack us, hurt us, treat us like trash, we do not forget and will not give you another chance to do so. So the cops won the skirmish, but lost the respect and trust of a citizen probably for life. Good job boys in blue.
The perspective you ask her to have is not possible given how things happened. Boys can punch each other one day and be best buds the next, women do not do that.
...and/or shoot them in the leg?mamabearCali wrote:If she really did refuse to identify and they did not just cart a screaming terrified girl off before she could calm down enough to tell them her name....well that was stupid on her. But it looked like she was terrified, not just petulant, and her being terrified is directly related to how she was detained. Perhaps (we will never know) she might have been more cooperative if she did not feel like she had just been attacked.
What I object to most is how they handled the initial contact. If a person cannot hear you and you grab them from behind, you are going to scare the living crap out of them and escalate the sitatuion. The person rightly thinks they are under attack and their reflexes and fight or flight kicks in, setting everyone up for a bad situation. Maybe the LEO's here are ok with grabbing people, but I am sure not being ok being grabbed. There are many reasons a person would not hear a LEO, ambient noise, hearing disability, and yes being silly and having your earbuds turned up too far. I have a bad ear from no fault of my own. You come up on that side of me and talk with any ambient noise and I might not hear you at all. They need a different way other than grabbing a person. Wave a hand in front of their face. Tap them on the shoulder. Tap them on the arm.
