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Kythas wrote:I'm hearing that signing any of the secession petitions is a reportable offense if you have a security clearance, and the FBI is investigating all the people who signed one. If you have a clearance, it may be grounds to have that clearance revoked.

Also, the FBI may be placing all people who signed the petitions on a watch list.

equin wrote:

The Mad Moderate wrote:The idea of all fifty states "seceding" is not really a bad one. Let each state control its own destiny, instead of taking from Texas to Give to California, let California pay for what it wants and we'll keep our here. Of course Im not advocating dissolving the federal government, there would be far too many challenges and it would not be pretty, at least in the blue states.

If I remember my American history studies many years ago, the original 13 colonies thought the same and actually tried something like this under the rubric of the Articles of Confederation. However, it was a complete failure, and some attribute the government's weakness as allowing uprisings such as Shay's Rebellion to occur. George Washington wrote in a letter to Henry Lee of his desire for a stronger federal government as a result of Shay's Rebellion and advocated reform of the government at the time. Some historians believe Shay's Rebellion strongly influenced those states who previously did not want a stronger federal government to change their mind and subsequently ratify the U.S. Constitution to replace the Articles of Confederation.

So although in theory such a concept for the 50 states may sound appealing to some, history shows it probably won't work. But as we all know, history often repeats itself when those of future generations forget the lessons learned from past generations. In fact, something similar is going on today, albeit in a different fashion, with the European Union. Although it appeared to work quite well at first, the EU and the rest of the world are know realizing how difficult it is for all the EU countries to come to terms and deal effectively with their current financial crisis. If they survive it, which it appears they may for now, they may not survive the next crisis that comes their way, whatever and whenever that may be. It's that old cliche' America used to rally around when facing adversity - "United we stand, divided we fall." Unfortunately, we don't hear it enough nowadays and instead challenges and crises are met with calls of "run away," "I don't want to play anymore," "secede," etc.

I don't know if calls for secession are considered treason, and I don't want to get into that debate. I do know that America and its 50 states and U.S. territories is still the greatest country in the world bar none. I still believe in America and all it stands for.

gdanaher wrote:The 2012 secession movement is brought to you by the same folks who brought you the tea party. Really. Think about it. But instead of a crown whose head rarely changes, you get anouther crack at it in 4 years. Be patient, find a candidate that might be electable, keep him/her squeaky clean, and hope for the best in 2016. Give the people a reason to vote for your candidate rather than against someone.

TexasCajun wrote:

In the end, perhaps a better bet is to stay put in the good old USA, and work united to replace the out of control Federal government with one true to the Constitution.

bauer wrote:
Now all this crap about Generals Petraeus and Allen surfaces a week before Petraeus is to testify about Benghazi....

Oldgringo wrote:Not that I mind, but isn't this a thread?

sjfcontrol wrote:WBAP is reporting that 25K signatures were met on the Texas petition as of 2:00PM this afternoon. Reportedly that means the Obama admin MUST consider the petition.