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koconcept wrote:if you go into the irving mall you would swear there was a need for leash laws for children. I have a 4 year old but she has to hold either me or my wifes hand at all times when in any store. Rediculous.

Back in the days of manners, gentility, responsibility and accountability, kids did have leashes and their mothers didn't have tattoos. That would have been circa WW II and perhaps as much as 10 years thereafter. Then came Elvis, The Beatles and Viet Nam, etc., etc...{*SIGH*}

speedsix wrote:...the parallels are funny...and scary...

...and too true...

Keith B wrote:

koconcept wrote:at one time i had 12 chldren and never did one of them run loose except on hunting trips. Parents need to understand a few things. 1.When you become the parent of a child you are responsible for that childs well being and safety. 2. when you become the parent of a child you are responible for the damages and injury that child may cause on another child or person. Proper containment is not cruel it is resposible. (Left that last part as it is appropriate)

Fixed it for you.

Good job, Keith B. , big time, really big time!

Back on point: if the OP's dog had practiced some descalation by showing its tail rather than snarlingly advancing onto the trespasser dog's turf, we'd be discussing...er, uh...the family Obama's travels at our expense.

ninemm wrote:To answer the OP's original question:

I have to admit that, thanks to maturity, I'm probably a little more understanding and may actually treat my animals better than my children.

My man!

Oldgringo's animals treat him better than do the children and grandbrats. That's why my animals are sheltered, the kids and their spawn can fend for themselves. I know those are hard sayins', but they brung it on themselves.

The Annoyed Man wrote:I am happy to know that the three of you survived. It sounds terrifying. If that were my neighbor, we would be in court. I'm not entirely buying the "they were just protecting their property" bit, because you describe the neighbor dogs as having trespassed on your property first, including immediately before the incident happened. That neighbor needs to A) be held liable for the injuries sustained to you, your son, and your dog; B) be cited by law enforcement for failing to have control over the dogs; and C) be told by you that the next time one of his dogs strays onto your property, you will shoot it.

Some people just need to be told the truth, no matter how much they don't want to hear it, and it needs to be repeated, and then acted out, until they get it..........even if they never do get it.

One of my favorite quotes was uttered by former president Harry Truman. He said, "I never gave anybody heck. I just told them the truth, and they thought it was heck."

TAM,

I ordinarily side with you; however, there is too much gray area here.

The dog of the first part intruded onto OP's property. The dog of the second part (OP) chased the dog of the first part back onto and into the dog of the first part's property whereupon dog of the first part's canine friends rushed to its aid. The dog of the second part's (OP) armed human handlers then rushed onto and into the dog of the second part's turf whereupon they were set upon by the defenders' of first dog's turf.

There are several real transgressions here and all go back primarily to the unleashed and uncontrolled dogs of both parts. I suggest that these sleeping dogs be let lie under their respective constraints and all humans learn from this encounter into the canine world of protectiveness and territoriallity and constrain their supposedly domesticated animals (including cats).

PS:

There are few, if any, who love/d there animal family members more than Mr. & Mrs. Oldgingo.

i8godzilla wrote:
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2. Even though your dogs normally do not stray, keep them under you control...

There it is...in a nutshell.