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GrayGuy,

I think I understand your concerns and your reservations.

With all due respect, given your professed discomfort with Concealed Carry, perhaps you should not carry a Concealed Weapon in public. The MPA covers you in your vehicle and the "Castle Doctrine" covers you in your 'castle'. When seconds count on the street, the police are only minutes away.

Good luck and God Bless,

Greg

WildBill wrote:

GrayGuy wrote:

WildBill wrote:

GrayGuy wrote:I’m a new grandpa on the CHL block, and maybe I’m missing the point. Hopefully you guys can explain it to me.

Why would you want to go into an establishment with a posted sign restricting guns even if it does not meet the specifications in the law?

Isn’t that forcing an issue you could loose not to mention the possible legal expenses that could be incurred if you are spotted and sued.

Welcome to the Forum GrayGuy.

1. I would want to go in because, I legally can go in. Some people wouldn't go in because of "the principle", but invalid signs do not offend me.

2. I wouldn't be "forcing any issue". That is why there are specific requirements for valid postings. Even if you were spotted, you would not be breaking any law and there would be no basis for being sued. If they asked me to leave, I would immediately leave.

WildBill, I respect your views, but, what I see happening in that situation is:
You are asked to leave the establishment.
If I leave I would feel a little foolish because I knew they didn’t want me and my gun there.
If I don’t leave then the cops are called and they will ask me to leave and at that point I would leave, again feeling a little foolish.
If I didn’t leave then I assume I would be removed forcefully and booked for on one of the trespass laws.

To me that makes for a bad day and I’m not sure I would want to go through all that.

GrayGuy - I am not sure that I completely understand your posts, but here goes:

First of all, I don't like feeling foolish. If I went into a store without a valid 30.06 and was asked to leave, I would leave. I would not feel foolish at all. The business owner is the foolish one. If he really didn't want handguns in his store, he should have posted a valid sign.

If I didn't leave and the store owner called the police, I would feel very foolish leaving the store in handcuffs, with my handgun stuck in the LEO's waistband as evidence. I would feel very foolish because I didn't follow the law by leaving after receiving verbal notice.

Good job, Bill. That just about sums it up.

If I may: the signs beside the entrances at Wal-Mart and Sam's Club are valid signs and they are legal signs. They do not apply to a legal Texas CH licensee because they do not meet the criteria set forth by 30.06. The management of these facilities know that and do not need to have it pointed out to them. That said, if a Wal-Mart or Sam's Club store manager asks you to leave, it is definitely di di mau time.

Me too, Pawpaw. As I've said before,this forum has taught me far far more than was even mentioned, let alone covered, in my CHL class.

jester wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:Why does one have to read through every item/forum on this site to find it? Given the almost daily questions on the signage questions, it seems to me that signage and this explanation is a subject/sticky unto itself?

If someone is new to CHL and goes to the New to CHL? forum, it's the first topic. It's a sticky.

Good point! IF someone knew what they didn't know, they'd know to go in search of that missing information and might eventually stumble upon this "sticky"...within a larger forum.

I suggest that there are many who don't know of the "sign" topic on the "New to CHL" forum. Otherwise, the sign discussions wouldn't go on for pages - week after week.

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Exactly and Thank You.

Why does one have to read through every item/forum on this site to find it? Given the almost daily questions on the signage questions, it seems to me that signage and this explanation is a subject/sticky unto itself?

Oh well....

Apparently signage is not thoroughly covered in too many CHL classes.

A "sticky" depicting a valid 30.06 sign, and both a blue and a red 51% alcohol sign with a concise definition of each type sign could serve several purposes; e.g:

1. Clarify the exact wording, size, color and placement of a valid "no CHL guns allowed" on these premises notice,
2. Clarify the exact wording, size, color and placement of a valid "no CHL because of in situ alcohol consumption" notice,
3. Provide a handy and immediate future reference point for those who were never introduced to, nor did not understand these two fundamental responsibilities of a Texas CH licensee during their CHL classes, and;
4. Minimize the daily signage questions and debates on the forum.