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by Oldgringo
Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:08 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Church Safety Team Carry (DPS lawyer says No)
Replies: 53
Views: 7525

Re: Church Safety Team Carry (DPS lawyer says No)

chad745 wrote:

...Then they printed up a paper with all the things we CAN'T do...
Do y'all remember what Martin Luther, our Founding Fathers, et al were all about?
by Oldgringo
Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:29 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Church Safety Team Carry (DPS lawyer says No)
Replies: 53
Views: 7525

Re: Church Safety Team Carry (DPS lawyer says No)

The Annoyed Man wrote:I have had this idea rumbling around in my gourd for a while, and I'm very conscious of the DPS limitations. Here's my thoughts based only on my own experience.

A number of us have our CHLs. I know who some are. Some of the folks I know are aware of who some of the others are, etc., etc. What I would like is for an informal gathering perhaps as a planned range day or something where we could all gather and get to know one another a little bit, separately from any church management, so that we will be previously identified to one another in the event of a situation.

That's it. No patrolling. No formal security team. None of that.
WHAT??? No CHL badge either?
by Oldgringo
Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:12 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Church Safety Team Carry (DPS lawyer says No)
Replies: 53
Views: 7525

Re: Church Safety Team Carry (DPS lawyer says No)

Keith B wrote:
mr.72 wrote:
Keith B wrote: I personally would not make any official 'team' that had anything to do with or looked like it was involved with security and had CHL's.
Are you implying that the church or team leadership have any awareness or requirement of CHL holders in their team? Or, in other words, does a CHL holder give up their right to carry under the authority of their CHL when they join a volunteer team at church that might do something that looks like "security"?

OK, but I guess that depends on what the definition of "involved with security" is to begin with.
IANAL, but my interpretation is if you function, even as a volunteer, in any named capacity that relates to the security of the church, then may be potentially in violation of the statutes.

Now, I am a choir member, play guitar and bass, attend Sunday School, and volunteer on other committees and organizations in the church. I don't 'carry' under any authority of a team or function, and am not ASKED to carry either. If I happen to have to use my CCW in my or an others defense, then it was just happenstance; I was not acting in a role as a member of a security or safety team. IMO that keeps me out of the gray area and OK in the eyes of the statutes.
Is Keith suggesting that, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix and/or complicate it'?

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