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by jmorris
Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:43 am
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: A Ukraine and Russia post
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Re: A Ukraine and Russia post

srothstein wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:46 pm I notice one interesting thing about that shelled hospital. I could be wrong, but I do not see any holes in the walls of it such as would result from a direct hit. The destruction I saw looks more like concussion from near misses, such as hitting a building nearby or counter-battery fire against an artillery unit in the field next to the hospital.

Some of the apartment buildings nearby appear to have hits from light artillery, but only a few. That strikes me as someone was shelling a target nearby. Artillery is not always a precision weapon. Much as I cannot always put bullets in the same hole at fifty feet using a bench rest, a cannon cannot put its shells in the same spot every time.

Since the media is only showing the aftermath (for justifiable reasons), I am forced to admit that the evidence shows a possibility that Russia was telling the truth about firing at a military target and the damage is simply collateral damage from that.

I support Ukraine in this war, but I am also honest enough to admit that it is possible they put military targets near a hospital. Not directly using it as human shield type cover, but in an urban war it is hard to not have things happen like that near schools and hospitals. We built our cities that way.
This is the cater from the shell at the hospital. It is probably from a 2S7M Malka, the largest self-propelled artillery piece at 203mm, if not an aircraft delivered bomb. A near hit would have blown windows out for a few blocks and severely damaged the structural integrity of any building close by.

There's been plenty of videos showing the indiscriminate bombing of residential areas.

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