XinTX wrote:There won't be a real 'discussion' on guns in the US until we can have an intellectually honest discussion. And we haven't been able to have one on this subject in decades (at least), it not the last century. It needs to start with the fact that the 2A is in the Constitution NOT to guarantee us a 'right' to shoot squirrels, but as a bulwark against tyrrany. The entire framing of the Constitition was toward that end. If resistance against a tyrranical government by speaking truth (1A) didn't work, they tyrant wouldn't push too far due to the very real check of armed resistance. But we as a nation have forgotten that. And NO, I'm not calling for some sort of insurrection, just pointing out the origins and purpose of 2A. It is rooted in the events in Concord. There is no reference to 'legitimate sporting purpose' in 2A. Heck, back in the Colonial era a lot of towns had a canon. The 'government' didn't own them. They were frequently bought by the townspeople who chipped in to get one in order to deter attacks on the town.
And I doubt anyone here believes that if the antis get some of their so-called 'reasonable restrictions' on guns that they'll be happy and go away. Ain't gonna happen. If you give them EVERYTHING they want, then when the next incident happens (and it will) they'll say they didn't go far enough and want more, until they achieve their goal of a complete ban.
And I also have trouble now saying this should be in the hands of 'mental health care' people. Now that government, via OZeroCare, has essentially taken some level of control over the national health care system, it wouldn't be too hard to add people to 'the list' of people who are probibited from owning firearms.
But the problem with freedom is that sometimes it creates a mess when people make bad choices or do stupid things.
I just had a debate with a liberal family mememer about the right to having "Assault" weapons. I learned real quick the mind of a liberal is focused on emotion rather than fact. I learned that a liberal speaks about having an "open mind" and "tolerance" yet do not really believe in actually behaving that way. They have THEIR viewpoint and their viewpoint is the only correct version. If you do not believe in what they think... you are "Stupid", "Narrow Minded" and a "War Monger".
They do not want to hear facts and truth. They become hostile and angry and then resort to name calling when they can not accept truth. I thought it was only liberal politicians who did that... but I experienced it first hand. She was bad mouthing me for having an Colt M4 and I explained the defifference between a real assault rifle versus the semi-automatic version. I also reminded her that (God Bless their souls) the children at the school were murdered with two handguns while the AR15 wa still in the trunk of the vehicle - this was after she said it was actually ok for people to have handguns, just not ASSAULT weapons...
You are absolutely correct... they want ALL firearms banned not just 'Assault" weapons. They will not stop once they know they can take a portion of our rights away.
I learned that you can not debate with stupid.