By the way, it looks like this whole thing is taking place on the grounds of the Houston City Hall, Hermann Square, The City Library, and Tranquility Park... all thoroughly public places that cannot, by Texas law, be posted.
Tired, tired, tired of this crap.
By the way, this has nothing to do with "Pride". They have every right to have a celebration on public property. I would be equally angry (honestly, I would be MORE angry) if this was a NRA or TSRA celebration on public property and someone thought they could ban licensed carry.
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- Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:50 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events
- Replies: 24
- Views: 9984
- Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:27 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events
- Replies: 24
- Views: 9984
Re: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events
I am sure that if someone turned this in to the OAG, Houston would respond that it was a private event and that THEY did not give notice, so they cannot be held liable. But I really hope that any Houston Police Officer will be smart enough to know that they cannot prevent someone from carrying at a parade on a public street.
This highlights another issue. The current law about how a license holder can deal with this is completely ineffective. So, you show up to the pride parade here on Saturday June 25th, you are told by a security guard or maybe a police officer that you cannot carry on a public street. You take note of the time and date and the person's name who gave you notice, maybe take a picture of a sign, you go home and type out a notice to the city and put it in the mail, certified, on the same day.
Now, you have to give them three full business days to respond from the date that you show they got the certified letter before you file with the OAG. So, you have zero recourse, even though you are 100% sure that they are wrong and that your rights have been violated. In the mean time, by the time any of this happens, the event is over and your rights are still violated. Then, and only then, do you file with the OAG, and they take 90 days to tell the city of Houston to take down the sign or stop giving notice, and the City of Houston comes back and says "The event has been over for 90 days, and we have no idea what you are talking about, The City did not give notice, a private event promoter did." and our rights remain in peril next year, and the year after that.
Undoubtedly, these folks will learn that the law is meaningless, and that they can infringe on the rights of LTCers without any sort of penalty, so they keep it up year after year. Next year, it will be the Houston Marathon, then it will be the 4th of July parade and fireworks, then it will be Christmas Tree Lighting ceremonies, then... pretty much anything that is a 1-5 day event, because they know that nothing can be done to stop them.
Here is my solution. First, none of this "citizen gives notice and waits three days" nonsense, we should only have to see a sign, and then instantly either fill out a web form, or call the 1800 number and report the entity and where the sign is to the 30.06 team at the AG's Office. The person at the OAG taking the call then immediately turns around and calls whoever at that entity, or calls the local police and orders them to take down the sign or cover it, or stop giving verbal notice within only a few hours and provide proof that they have stopped. The default setting should be to take down the sign or stop giving verbal notice, until the OAG determines that the sign is compliant, then they can put it back up, not the other way around.
I'm writing my reps about this, I am tired of this junk.
This highlights another issue. The current law about how a license holder can deal with this is completely ineffective. So, you show up to the pride parade here on Saturday June 25th, you are told by a security guard or maybe a police officer that you cannot carry on a public street. You take note of the time and date and the person's name who gave you notice, maybe take a picture of a sign, you go home and type out a notice to the city and put it in the mail, certified, on the same day.
Now, you have to give them three full business days to respond from the date that you show they got the certified letter before you file with the OAG. So, you have zero recourse, even though you are 100% sure that they are wrong and that your rights have been violated. In the mean time, by the time any of this happens, the event is over and your rights are still violated. Then, and only then, do you file with the OAG, and they take 90 days to tell the city of Houston to take down the sign or stop giving notice, and the City of Houston comes back and says "The event has been over for 90 days, and we have no idea what you are talking about, The City did not give notice, a private event promoter did." and our rights remain in peril next year, and the year after that.
Undoubtedly, these folks will learn that the law is meaningless, and that they can infringe on the rights of LTCers without any sort of penalty, so they keep it up year after year. Next year, it will be the Houston Marathon, then it will be the 4th of July parade and fireworks, then it will be Christmas Tree Lighting ceremonies, then... pretty much anything that is a 1-5 day event, because they know that nothing can be done to stop them.
Here is my solution. First, none of this "citizen gives notice and waits three days" nonsense, we should only have to see a sign, and then instantly either fill out a web form, or call the 1800 number and report the entity and where the sign is to the 30.06 team at the AG's Office. The person at the OAG taking the call then immediately turns around and calls whoever at that entity, or calls the local police and orders them to take down the sign or cover it, or stop giving verbal notice within only a few hours and provide proof that they have stopped. The default setting should be to take down the sign or stop giving verbal notice, until the OAG determines that the sign is compliant, then they can put it back up, not the other way around.
I'm writing my reps about this, I am tired of this junk.
- Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:30 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events
- Replies: 24
- Views: 9984
Re: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events
What are these "Pride Events"?
If they are in private venues, then whatever. If it is a parade down a public street, or something at a public park... then I would certainly go down and get info and turn it in to the OAG so that they know that they can't do that again. I don't lose rights because there was an islamic terrorist attack in Orlando.
Also, the "sign" on the website refers to "Chapter 441" of the government code. LTC is Chapter 411, and the 30.06 language must be letter for letter exact. So, that web post is not legal notice. Go get better "notice" and turn them in.
Isn't it amazing how anti-gun liberals can't get anything right?
If they are in private venues, then whatever. If it is a parade down a public street, or something at a public park... then I would certainly go down and get info and turn it in to the OAG so that they know that they can't do that again. I don't lose rights because there was an islamic terrorist attack in Orlando.
Also, the "sign" on the website refers to "Chapter 441" of the government code. LTC is Chapter 411, and the 30.06 language must be letter for letter exact. So, that web post is not legal notice. Go get better "notice" and turn them in.
Isn't it amazing how anti-gun liberals can't get anything right?