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by AJSully421
Tue May 24, 2016 11:25 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 120061

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

FJRider wrote:
AJSully421 wrote:
rotor wrote:Went to the Wichita Falls Gun and Knife show today and it was posted 30.06 and 30.07 inside the building but just before you enter the gun show. This is at the Multi Purpose Event Center, City owned unless I hear otherwise. Talked to the sheriff deputies at the door and asked how could it be posted since it was city owned property. "It's a private event" they said. Realized it was no use discussing with them as they were not knowledgeable about the law. It's a Saturday and the event is 2 days. Not a lot that can be done here. Can not reach the person who puts on the shows, joetom@joetomwhite.com, but have an email to the city manager who is very good. See what happens but sure ruined my day. Hope the vendors note that they are going to lose business and I usually am there with $1,000 if I see anything worth getting. Went to the site Charles mentions at the beginning of this post and downloaded the forms to start a complaint. My first issue is the legality of the signs on City owned property. There is a moral issue though of someone making money off of a gun show and banning licensed people from carrying.
The Fort Worth gun show used to have the same thing. It is at a city-owned venue. They now post a sign that says your entry fee is a revocable agreement based on you not having any loaded weapons. I conceal.
This seems like an open attempt to circumvent a law about public buildings. I believe that one of the folks posting here is a lawyer. I wonder if he would mind writing a letter and maybe sending intent for a class action against the show and the city of Fort Worth to get their attention.
Agreed. It may also be a provision of the liability insurance coverage for the show promoter to not have any loaded guns in the venue. When posting legal 30.06/07 signs was not an option, I am use that they were told to post something with some teeth, and chances are the "revocable entry agreement" language was what their lawyer came up with.

As a side note, if 30.06 cannot be used in a city-owned venue, and 30.05 cannot be used if the reason that you are kicking someone out is the fact that they have a LTC and a concealed handgun... how will anyone, including the police, enforce the "revocation of your entry" if you are found to have a concealed handgun at the FW Gun Show? They cannot force you to leave, and the police cannot touch you, you cannot be CT'd from future shows under 30.05... Sounds like fun!
by AJSully421
Sat May 21, 2016 7:01 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 120061

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

On another note, things are moving fast over there. I submitted an online complaint on Wednesday morning and received a copy of the notice sent from the OAG to the city today, on Saturday. Mail from Austin to me takes two days, so the letters to me and the city had to have been mailed on Thursday by 5pm. Basically a 24 hour turn around from receiving the complaint to getting letters mailed out.
by AJSully421
Sat May 21, 2016 6:58 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 120061

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

rotor wrote:Went to the Wichita Falls Gun and Knife show today and it was posted 30.06 and 30.07 inside the building but just before you enter the gun show. This is at the Multi Purpose Event Center, City owned unless I hear otherwise. Talked to the sheriff deputies at the door and asked how could it be posted since it was city owned property. "It's a private event" they said. Realized it was no use discussing with them as they were not knowledgeable about the law. It's a Saturday and the event is 2 days. Not a lot that can be done here. Can not reach the person who puts on the shows, joetom@joetomwhite.com, but have an email to the city manager who is very good. See what happens but sure ruined my day. Hope the vendors note that they are going to lose business and I usually am there with $1,000 if I see anything worth getting. Went to the site Charles mentions at the beginning of this post and downloaded the forms to start a complaint. My first issue is the legality of the signs on City owned property. There is a moral issue though of someone making money off of a gun show and banning licensed people from carrying.
The Fort Worth gun show used to have the same thing. It is at a city-owned venue. They now post a sign that says your entry fee is a revocable agreement based on you not having any loaded weapons. I conceal.
by AJSully421
Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:12 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 120061

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

casp625 wrote:
Rex B wrote:Charles
Please do that. I know you mentioned that before, but I could not find any mechanism to deal with such temporary postings.

Rex
Pick them up and put them in your trunk? :roll:
Theft under $50 is only a Class C... no loss of CHL.
by AJSully421
Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:11 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 120061

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

Wow... Fort Worth zoo combining 30.06 and 30.07 signs on city property. How else can they fail to comply with the law? They don't care, they just don't want icky guns near their dangerous animals... Or the zoo animals either.

It is almost like they know that they are doing it wrong, they are counting on the gun carrying public to not know in their efforts to be the most law abiding group in Texas.
by AJSully421
Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:44 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 120061

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

Now the frigging dallas zoo is claiming that they are an amusement park because they have a monorail?

Liberalism is a mental disease.
by AJSully421
Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:58 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 120061

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
joe817 wrote:I guess the old saying "the squeaking wheel gets the oil" holds true in this case. ;-)
Absolutely! I plan on doing a lot of squeaking starting in just under a month and I need a lot of eyes to help in this effort. I have a favorite target in mind and I'm itching to file the complaint with the AG's office.

Chas.
Looks like the Fort Worth zoo is covered. Anything else out there that you need help with?

I'm planning on taking on the Fort Worth gun show at Will Rogers. The city owns the place. Besides... if I walk in there with my pistol in a carry case, am I not illegally concealing a handgun past a 30.06 sign? Texas law does not make any distinction between loaded and unloaded firearms. Nor does it say that it is ok if it is zip tied or otherwise disabled. The whole thing is BULL!

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