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- Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:04 pm
- Forum: The Crime Blotter
- Topic: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting
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Re: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting
Pulling a gun in that meeting isn't like showing your friends "Hey, check out my new pistol." When the gun came out, it was a threat of deadly force. I believe a person would have been justified in sniping him in the back from the hallway off to the side. I don't know whether or not that would be the best course of action before at least attempting some sort of de-escalation. But I doubt a jury in Texas would convict. . . . I doubt a grand jury would indict. . . . I might be a little surprised if the person was even arrested.
- Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:45 am
- Forum: The Crime Blotter
- Topic: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting
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Re: Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting
I agree with Excaliber, as usual. 
"A vicious and committed counterattack" even against very long odds, is better than sitting there waiting for him to start executing us.
Excaliber menionted OODA.
When the woman attacked the big guy, that gave a small window of opportunity. But I think that by the time anyone on the board went through the OODA cycle and thought "Here's our chance!" That window had already closed.
It's easy to Monday-morning-quarterback from the safety of my computer chair, but I like to think that from the moment the gun was pulled, I'd be sitting there looking for an opportunity. "If he'll just turn away, if he can be distracted for a moment . . . " is what would be going through my head. (I play "what if" games with myself constantly. If I'd been to a couple of meetings, I'd have already considered "What would I do if someone came in here and pulled a gun on us?" My plan might not be the best, but I'd HAVE A PLAN other than sitting there hoping to not get shot.) I'm 5'7" and 200, younger than the board members but not quite what I was 20-some years ago, and not near large enough to just tackle the big dude. But if I'm sitting there waiting for an opportunity, and the woman hitting him from behind gives me one, I'd try to explode out of the chair and attack the gun hand/arm. Try to knock the gun away, and failing that, hang on like I've got a tiger by the tail, trying to pin the gun long enough for some of the others to pile on (wishful thinking maybe, but when that's all you got . . . )
Now, whether I'd have really done that or just sat there and made a mess in my pants, I don't know, having never been in a situation like that.
"A vicious and committed counterattack" even against very long odds, is better than sitting there waiting for him to start executing us.
Excaliber menionted OODA.
When the woman attacked the big guy, that gave a small window of opportunity. But I think that by the time anyone on the board went through the OODA cycle and thought "Here's our chance!" That window had already closed.
It's easy to Monday-morning-quarterback from the safety of my computer chair, but I like to think that from the moment the gun was pulled, I'd be sitting there looking for an opportunity. "If he'll just turn away, if he can be distracted for a moment . . . " is what would be going through my head. (I play "what if" games with myself constantly. If I'd been to a couple of meetings, I'd have already considered "What would I do if someone came in here and pulled a gun on us?" My plan might not be the best, but I'd HAVE A PLAN other than sitting there hoping to not get shot.) I'm 5'7" and 200, younger than the board members but not quite what I was 20-some years ago, and not near large enough to just tackle the big dude. But if I'm sitting there waiting for an opportunity, and the woman hitting him from behind gives me one, I'd try to explode out of the chair and attack the gun hand/arm. Try to knock the gun away, and failing that, hang on like I've got a tiger by the tail, trying to pin the gun long enough for some of the others to pile on (wishful thinking maybe, but when that's all you got . . . )
Now, whether I'd have really done that or just sat there and made a mess in my pants, I don't know, having never been in a situation like that.