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steveincowtown wrote:

JKTex wrote:

steveincowtown wrote:

TXBO wrote:Here's another direct quote of Perry from the same article:

In his interview Thursday, Perry also said gun owners should be "appropriately backgrounded, appropriately vetted, appropriately trained."

"We license people to drive on our highways,” he said. “We give them that privilege. The same is true with our concealed handguns.”


Sounds like talking points right out of the liberal handbook.

Following this logic here we should also register guns, after all cars are registered. There is also no "right to drive" enumerated in the constitution.

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Car's don't have to be registered, unless they are used on public roadways.

That puts the silly car vs gun registration analogy to bed. GOD bless Texas!

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
The topic of this thread is civil discourse and debate, not the merits of licensed or unlicensed open-carry. I have to admit that I expected some folks to come to the defense of OCT and Grisham.

Chas.

I abandon this thread long ago out of respect.

I gave up also.

Chas.

canvasbck wrote:Charles,
Please tell me that you and or Alice will be testifying on SB17 to offset the lunatic fringe. It is pretty clear that OCTC, OCT, and CATI intend to testify AGAINST this bill.

For anyone who didn't already know, this is very telling that they are not willing to budge one inch off of their position regarding unlicensed open carry or nothing. My number one choice was unlicensed carry (I've changed my position since Kory Watkins did such a marvelous job of proving that absence of a background check can be horrendous, MDA thanks you Mr. Watkins), and second choice was HB910, wich is this bill. Looks like the KW's/CJG's of the world want to make sure that none of them pass.

Alice will testify, but I'm not going to Austin unless something changes. If many people answer CATI's request, then the hearing will be a zoo. If I do go, I'll probably testify only on campus-carry, but even that's unnecessary. Campus-carry is in the bag in the Senate; the House is where the fight will be on SB11.

I'm trying very hard not to go to Austin this session to testify in a hearing. Everyone knows what I'm going to say so unless I'm needed to explain legal/technical points, I just take up committee time.

Chas.

Pawpaw wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I honestly don't think anything will change the tactics used by the leadership (3 guys). My hope is that calls for civil discourse will reach members of those organizations and, if not, let the general public realize those folks are not representative of gun-owning Texans.

Chas.

I guess you're talking about whoever runs CATI.

Yep, but he's mild in comparison, very mild.

Chas.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Well, it seems impossible to get this thread back on topic, but I'll try once more before closing it. Keep arguing irrelevant issues and ignore Grisham/OCT, Watkins/OCTC rather than condemn them and the general public will continue to paint all open-carry supporters with the same broad brush.

Chas.

Sorry.

What is a better suggested course of action vs. what has been done to date?

I honestly don't think anything will change the tactics used by the leadership (3 guys). My hope is that calls for civil discourse will reach members of those organizations and, if not, let the general public realize those folks are not representative of gun-owning Texans.

Chas.

Well, it seems impossible to get this thread back on topic, but I'll try once more before closing it. Keep arguing irrelevant issues and ignore Grisham/OCT, Watkins/OCTC rather than condemn them and the general public will continue to paint all open-carry supporters with the same broad brush.

Chas.

Even if Rick Perry's comments were relevant to the 2015 Texas Legislative Session, which they are not, Grisham's/OCT's childish tactics are counterproductive. That's the point everyone needs to focus on and let the general public know this guy and his OCT don't speak for Texas gun owners.

As another Member stated, these folks don't care about the issue any longer, they simply enjoy what they believe to be a bully pulpit. In truth, they are preaching only to their own very small choir.

Chas.

cb1000rider wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote: No mature, rational person truly believes one can successfully promote a concept or legislative goal by insulting or intimidating those who hold a different view.

I wish this was observed more frequently on this forum. Maybe Chas only meas it to apply to the legislative process - but there are way too many examples of castigation on this forum because a person or group doesn't follow exactly the same lines as someone else. I point it out on this forum because my expectations are higher with this group.

While there are exceptions on rare occasions, I couldn't disagree with you more. Nothing we see on the Forum even approaches OCT.

Chas.

steveincowtown wrote:

TXBO wrote:Here's another direct quote of Perry from the same article:

In his interview Thursday, Perry also said gun owners should be "appropriately backgrounded, appropriately vetted, appropriately trained."

"We license people to drive on our highways,” he said. “We give them that privilege. The same is true with our concealed handguns.”


Sounds like talking points right out of the liberal handbook.

Following this logic here we should also register guns, after all cars are registered. There is also no "right to drive" enumerated in the constitution.

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The topic of this thread is civil discourse and debate, not the merits of licensed or unlicensed open-carry. I have to admit that I expected some folks to come to the defense of OCT and Grisham.

Chas.

On the heals of taking Kory Watkins to task for his inappropriate conduct in Rep. Pancho Nevarez's office, C.J. Grisham/OCT now attacks former Texas Governor Perry for Perry's position on unlicensed open-carry. Perry made comments on the subject essentially stating that 1) he feels the background checks that are part of the CHL application process are beneficial; and 2) he doesn't personally like open-carry for tactical reasons.

I'm not going to debate the unlicensed v. licensed open-carry issue; I want to call attention to statesmanlike activism v. childish insults. No mature, rational person truly believes one can successfully promote a concept or legislative goal by insulting or intimidating those who hold a different view. This is especially true when the person or organization you are attacking has a history of supporting your issue (gun rights) on a global scale, but differs with you on a single point.

In response to Gov. Perry's comments, C.J. Grisham, founder and President of Open Carry Texas, Incorporated had the following comments about our extremely pro-gun former Governor: "I wouldn't want that hair to get messed up. And, if your body guards aren't there, we'll stand between you . . . so you can run and hide." Do you really think that helps your cause C.J.? The only difference between Grisham and Watkins is a matter of degree.

Chas.