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Okay, this thread is so far off the topic, that it's going to be closed if this continues for even one more off-topic post. Anyone who doesn't want to believe what I posted is free to believe or not believe, I frankly don't care in the least. If you don't understand why I can't post confidential NRA information on a public website, then there's nothing I can say.

Chas.

anygunanywhere wrote:We aren't going to get a candidate from the republican wing of the GOP. You can bank on Bush, or Christi, or another democrat GOP. Why vote? Nothing is going to change. Stroo's post is right on. This is why true republican voters stay home.

Christi has no chance. Explain why no Republican candidate that you want can get the nomination. I'll save you some time; those people don't have the support because American voters want moderates.

Elected officials didn't ruin the Country, Americans ruined the Country. They want to be able to kill babies under the guise of "choice." They claim to want fiscal responsibility, but they want their Senator or Representatives to make sure pork barrel funds come to their state and town. They can't accept the simple truth that, if you don't work, you don't eat, so they raid the Social Security Fund to provide aid to dependent children and all sorts of welfare.

No Senator or House Member elected themselves; it was done by their constituents and the idea that there is a majority of conservative voters who just sit out elections is a pipe dream. White voters who make up the majority of conservatives turned out in record numbers in 2012 and Obama was still reelected.

The Country has changed and it isn't going back. People can either sit out and whine, or they can get involved and make the best of a bad situation.

Chas.

baldeagle wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

baldeagle wrote:As to the discussion of Ted Cruz that started this thread, and with all due respect to Charles, whom I admire, this is nothing but a red herring. I'm shocked that so many people that I respect have fallen for it.

And meaning no disrespect to you, you don't know what I know. I can't say more than this; I've been at NRA all this week in various committee meetings, including Legislative Policy. It doesn't matter what Reid said publicly, the deal was done and Cruz screwed it up. We have 12 Obama federal judges because of Cruz. People who get their information from the Internet and news media, with no insider information, can only guess and surmise. Again, I mean no disrespect but that's the hard cold truth.

First of all, you have me at an unfair advantage, because you're claiming knowledge that I can't possibly verify. However, I have a tremendous amount of difficulty believing that Republicans could have made any sort of deal with Harry Reid that he would have honored. He is a corrupt, dishonest liar. Any deal he makes is suspect at best. Furthermore, I don't trust any of the GOP leadership to be telling the truth. They have lied directly to the voters repeatedly. I look at actions, not words, and their actions have been at cross purposes to their words for far too long.

There's really no point in me responding, so I'll be brief. The deal wasn't with Reid alone, it was between Democrats and Republicans on issues they both wanted in the budget. Believe what you will, but the "proof" you offered was nothing more than Cruz saying "it ain't so."

VMI77 wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:You may be willing to destroy the Republican Party and hand control to the Democrats, but I'm not nor is the majority of anti-Democrats. Here's the sad truth, there aren't enough conservatives to win. If you think destroying the Republican Party will see a powerful conservative party rise from the ashes, then you can look into the mirror and see the guy who's drinking the Kool-Aid. The Country has changed because the population has changed, not because of Washington. We will never see the 1950's again.

Chas.

baldeagle wrote:Fine. If we're going to destroy the country, let's get on with it. What's the point of delaying the inevitable while the scoundrels in Washington continue to enrich themselves while they slowly drive us into the ditch? There may not be enough conservatives to win (debatable), but there are darn sure enough to guarantee that a moderate Republican will lose.

BTW, Reagan was elected in the 80's not the 50's. And if the GOP hadn't nominated GHW Bush to a second term, Clinton might not have been President. As it was, 19% of the population lodged a protest vote for Ross Perot, and the rest is history. If that's what the GOP wants, then nominate Jeb Bush. He's guaranteed to lose.

With all due respect, Charles, the arguments aren't working any more. Conservatives are extremely angry, and they will abandon the GOP in droves if a conservative isn't nominated this time. Call it childish if you like. It is what it is. If people don't wake up, and soon, the country is going in the toilet anyway.

This is nothing but groundless ranting. I'm a conservative, but we are a dying breed. We can't control Congress and we can't put people in the White House, so we have to support the people who most closely support our principles. If the conservatives are as numerous and powerful as you apparently believe, why aren't they in power. Blast the Republican Party all you wish, but the establishment can't vote more than one time, so your mythical conservative majority simply doesn't exist.

Chas.

CoffeeNut wrote:Every time I hear about Ted Cruz he is only referred to as a "firebrand" and an up and coming possible Presidential candidate. He can ride his wave of attention to the debates but I imagine that he'll crash and burn just like Rick Perry. If Ted Cruz is to be groomed for President he'll need more than another year.

If Ted Cruz were to win the Republican nomination, then another Democrat will occupy the White House. Cruz cannot win the Presidency.

Chas.

baldeagle wrote:As to the discussion of Ted Cruz that started this thread, and with all due respect to Charles, whom I admire, this is nothing but a red herring. I'm shocked that so many people that I respect have fallen for it.

And meaning no disrespect to you, you don't know what I know. I can't say more than this; I've been at NRA all this week in various committee meetings, including Legislative Policy. It doesn't matter what Reid said publicly, the deal was done and Cruz screwed it up. We have 12 Obama federal judges because of Cruz. People who get their information from the Internet and news media, with no insider information, can only guess and surmise. Again, I mean no disrespect but that's the hard cold truth.

You may be willing to destroy the Republican Party and hand control to the Democrats, but I'm not nor is the majority of anti-Democrats. Here's the sad truth, there aren't enough conservatives to win. If you think destroying the Republican Party will see a powerful conservative party rise from the ashes, then you can look into the mirror and see the guy who's drinking the Kool-Aid. The Country has changed because the population has changed, not because of Washington. We will never see the 1950's again.

Chas.

Let me say this up front because I know some folks aren't going to like this post. I like Sen. Ted Cruz. I like what he stands for and what he wants to accomplish. I don't like ineffective tactics, especially when they blow up in your face.

In the lame duck session, President Obama was able to get 12 of his federal judge nominees approved, along with the rabidly anti-gun Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy. Surprisingly, President Obama has Ted Cruz to thank for the opportunity. You see, a deal had been struck on the spending bill and all that was going to happen during the lame duck session was the passing of the bill, then everyone was going home. None of the Obama nominations were going to be heard until the Republicans took control in 2015. However, Sen. Cruz decided to argue the bill, thus giving outgoing Sen. Reid 72 hours to get the appointments to the Senate floor for a vote. Since the deal was off, Sen. Reid took advantage of the remaining hours of Democratic control of the Senate and we now have 12 Obama nominated, liberal federal judges with a lifetime jobs because of one terrible political move. While Murthy will undoubtedly be out of a job if a Republican wins the 2016 Presidential election, Obama's federal judges will likely be considered for appellate court benches in future years, possibly including the U.S. Supreme Court.

Some will argue that he did what he felt was right. True, but I don't care about good intentions, I care about results and this result was both predictable and horrendous! Hopefully, he'll learn from this, but I can't believe that he was unaware of the consequences of giving the Democrats more time before the Republicans took over.

Chas.