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by Charles L. Cotton
Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:57 pm
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ELB wrote:Interesting:
AUSTIN -- Gov. Rick Perry personally called a well-known Austin Democrat to discuss her interest in replacing Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg days before the public learned Perry was threatening to withhold state funding from Lehmberg's office unless she resigned.

Austin defense attorney Mindy Montford, who previously ran as a Democratic candidate for state district judge and district attorney in Travis County, confirmed her conversation with Perry — which took place in early June 2013, to the American-Statesman and KVUE-TV on Sunday.
http://www.kvue.com/story/news/politics ... /14549933/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I saw that on the news last night. This hurts the Democrats' argument against Perry. He tried to get a convicted criminal out of office and he even sought out a Democrat as a replacement to avoid the political party argument. This would have left the public integrity unit in tact and fully funded. Unfortunately, the convicted criminal wanted to say in office more than she wanted to see the public integrity unit remain operational. That's a classic Democrat for you!

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:23 am
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Cedar Park Dad wrote:
baldeagle wrote:I watched Perry on the news last night. He was in New Hampshire (I guess testing the Presidential waters), and a reporter asked him about the indictment. He stumbled and bumbled around, said there was two of them and he thought one was for bribery or something. Said he's not a lawyer and really doesn't understand all this stuff.

I thought, are you serious? I'm not a lawyer, but I know what the charges are. YOU were charged. How could you not know precisely what you were charged with? It would be imprinted on my brain forever. It reminded me of his stumble in the debates (I can't remember what the other one was), and I thought, Rick you just blew the most golden gift any politician has ever received.

Maybe he's just not destined to be Presidential material.
I am no fan of Perry(unless he runs with that poster I saw), and the above is a nice indicator of why. But again, these indictments are just stupid.
In my 64 years, Texas has had only two good Governors -- George Bush and Rick Perry. All the others were Democrats (except for one in 1870) with all that moniker entails. Anyone who complains about Perry either is a Democrat, wasn't here when the Democrats were in control, or didn't pay attention to politics when the Democrats were in control.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:58 pm
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ELB wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote: ...
Apparently, he has a contempt of court hearing waiting for him on an allegation of witness tampering. ...

Chas.
I saw that earlier, but it doesn't sound like something that by itself would cause him to actively run off the rails like he appears to with this indictment. As I mentioned earlier, I will be interested to see where he and Lehmberg land when this is all over.
I agree and I didn't mean to suggest this is why he did it. I think it does speak to his honesty and integrity, if the allegations are true.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:23 pm
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ELB wrote:I'm still waiting for something to fall out of McCrum's closet. The Texas Trib had big puffy article about how dedicated to the law and what swell non-partisan guy he is and the justice system can't work unless every defendant gets a quality defense, and he goes to church and blah, blah, blah -- I can't believe someone who is supposed to be so legally pure could launch an indictment that even the lefty lawyers can't stomach. There's something missing from the picture.
Apparently, he has a contempt of court hearing waiting for him on an allegation of witness tampering. The allegation by the judge is that he told a witness to ignore a subpoena, don't come to court, and getting out of town would be a good idea. All of this was in an earlier post and I read the link. Whether it accurate or whether he's guilty is unknown at this point. If I recall correctly, McCrum sought and was granted a stay of the contempt hearing.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:08 pm
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baldeagle wrote:A prominent national Democrat, Lanny Davis, has written a scathing op-ed where he says Texas Democrats "cannot be Democrats who care about civil liberties or due process, much less the credibility of our party". This just keeps getting better and better. It's the gift that keeps on giving. If Texas Democrats thought they could hurt Perry, they have ended up doing exactly the opposite. If they don't have the sense to stop soon, they could permanently damage the Texas Democrat party and drive independents away for a long, long time.
I suspect the Texas Democratic Party is desperately trying to figure out how to unring that bell.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:16 pm
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baldeagle wrote:This is interesting. Perry Grand Juror Was An Active Democratic Party Delegate During Jury Proceedings How does that happen? There's a foul odor coming out of Austin, and it's not the bat guano.

Some people need to go to prison for a long time and Perry is not among them.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:24 pm
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healthinsp wrote:
I don't like the borderline personal attacks against you either.

Your statement about Perry is wrong on at least two levels. First, what is did is not "wrong" either legally or morally. Have you looked at the two statutes he allegedly violated? If so, please tell us which specific provisions you feel he violated.

Secondly, you imply that Perry should have simply vetoed the funding bill without first trying to get the convicted criminal to resign. While he could have done just that, he took the high road by trying to avoid having the PIU shut down. Some think that's a laudable goal, but I don't because it shouldn't be in any county DA's office; it should be under the direction of the AG.

The only thing political about this is the despicable conduct of everyone involved in the indictment. Absolutely no person, entity or media outlet that I have seen has supported the indictment, but many all over the country have condemned it as a political assassination attempt by the Democrats. The Texas Democratic Party on one occasion called for Perry to resign, but when it quickly became obvious that Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, were condemning the indictments, even the Texas Democratic Party wisely shut up.

You imply that Lemberg has done everything an elected DA should do under the circumstances; i.e. plead guilty and "server her time." I doubt anyone other than Lemberg herself would agree that it's okay for a sitting DA to drive drunk, then not only stay in office, but also head the State's public integrity unit. If driving drunk and risking the lives of innocent people isn't enough to call her integrity into question, refusing to resign as DA simply because a Republican Governor would appoint a Republican to replace her most certainly does.

The fact that Democrats and liberals haven't been screaming for her resignation since the day she was arrested speaks volumes their character and integrity. This applies also to the Travis County Commissioners Court that could have and should have removed her from office.

Chas.
What I see is Perry supporters trying to make this all about Lemberg. Focusing on why he did instead of what he did. I think it's misdirection. The focus should be what he did.
I am focusing on what he did, but you are not. As noted in my other post about the Code sections on which the indictment was based, Perry's actions weren't even close to being unlawful. The only misdirection going on is on your part. At least twice now, you have pointed to a Williamson County Judge who appointed a so-called special prosecutor. I don't care who appointed whom. When the indictment is clearly bogus because the acts of the defendant do not violate the cited code provisions, it's time to look to the person who started the witch hunt.

If the allegations against the special prosecutor are accurate, then he tried to get a witness under subpoena not to appear in court to testify. Apparently, the trial judge was going to have a contempt hearing, but he was successful in getting it stayed until a later date. I know nothing more than what I've read, but, if true, it's ironic that his actions are not only unlawful, they would violate the very sections on which the Perry indictment was issued, if he had been a public servant. So much for his credibility, in my view.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:11 pm
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healthinsp wrote:He was indicted under 39.02 and 36.03

39.02 --- Ok I don't see it.
Sec. 39.02. ABUSE OF OFFICIAL CAPACITY. (a) A public servant commits an offense if, with intent to obtain a benefit or with intent to harm or defraud another, he intentionally or knowingly:

(1) violates a law relating to the public servant's office or employment; or

(2) misuses government property, services, personnel, or any other thing of value belonging to the government that has come into the public servant's custody or possession by virtue of the public servant's office or employment

Subsection 2 is the only one with a felony attached to it, and I don't see how what he did violated 39.02.
You're right, §39.02 does not apply so the indictment is garbage.
healthinsp wrote:I can see this one.

Sec. 36.03. COERCION OF PUBLIC SERVANT OR VOTER. (a) A person commits an offense if by means of coercion he:

(1) influences or attempts to influence a public servant in a specific exercise of his official power or a specific performance of his official duty or influences or attempts to influence a public servant to violate the public servant's known legal duty;

I can see this in his actions, but does this exempt him?

(c) It is an exception to the application of Subsection (a)(1) of this section that the person who influences or attempts to influence the public servant is a member of the governing body of a governmental entity, and that the action that influences or attempts to influence the public servant is an official action taken by the member of the governing body. For the purposes of this subsection, the term "official action" includes deliberations by the governing body of a governmental entity.

If it does, then I was wrong and I have learned something today.
§36.03 does not apply because Gov. Perry was not trying to get her to do something within her official duties, nor was he trying "influence a public servant to violate [her] known legal duty." He was trying to get her to resign so a criminal wouldn't be running the State's public integrity unit. Her resignation would not be a violation of her "known legal duty," so trying to get her to do so does not violate §36.03. Any public official can resign their position at any time without violating a "known legal duty." An example of something violating this Section would be an elected official trying to get her not to turn over exculpatory evidence in a criminal trial, thus violating a duty imposed by law. (This is precisely what she is accused of doing in the whistle-blower lawsuit filed by an ADA she fired.)

The indictment was for alleged violations of two sections that clearly do not apply to Perry's actions. This is purely political and Lemberg, the convicted criminal and menace to drivers everywhere, is behind it.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:04 pm
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Jim Beaux wrote:Seems this tactic is becoming a common one for the dems....Tom Delay, Scott Walker, Sarah Palin, Joe Arpaio, Chris Christie, and now Perry. Have I omitted anyone?
You left out Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison who was indicted by Travis County DA Ronnie Earle, only to have him admit in court that he didn't have a case against her. The judge swore in a jury and directed it to acquit Sen. Hutchison, since dirt bag Earle didn't have a case. This was likely done to prevent dirtbag from doing it again; something he was quite capable of doing. The Travis County DA's office is a cesspool of dishonest political hacks. A recently fired ADA found that honesty was forbidden in Lemberg's office.

Chas.

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by Charles L. Cotton
Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:25 pm
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healthinsp wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
healthinsp wrote:What he did was wrong. Plain and simple. He has been charged and indicted. He spent too long in office and his arrogance got the best of him.
So, you're in favor of drunk driving DA's who are contemptuous of law enforcement and seek special treatment for themselves remaining in office? Wow. Just wow.

A typical liberal too.....it's the cops fault for arresting her, not her fault for driving drunk. That attitude alone should disqualify her from holding any public office.
I'll respond to this once.

You are making baseless values accusations about me and you don't know the first thing about me other than I did post my political leanings in another post.

Perry used strong arm tactics to coerce a public official from office. If he had simply kept his mouth shut and vetoed the appropriations we wouldn't be here. Texas constitution allows him to do that. I agree, she should not be where she is. There should be a means for removing her from office. However, she pled guilty, served her time, and is now looking at going back on her statement that she would retire at the end of her term and is talking about running again.

I also believe, as I have stated before, there are people totally caught up in the politics of this, and if the affiliations were reversed would still be siding with their own political affiliations.

I will not respond to personal attacks again.
I don't like the borderline personal attacks against you either.

Your statement about Perry is wrong on at least two levels. First, what is did is not "wrong" either legally or morally. Have you looked at the two statutes he allegedly violated? If so, please tell us which specific provisions you feel he violated.

Secondly, you imply that Perry should have simply vetoed the funding bill without first trying to get the convicted criminal to resign. While he could have done just that, he took the high road by trying to avoid having the PIU shut down. Some think that's a laudable goal, but I don't because it shouldn't be in any county DA's office; it should be under the direction of the AG.

The only thing political about this is the despicable conduct of everyone involved in the indictment. Absolutely no person, entity or media outlet that I have seen has supported the indictment, but many all over the country have condemned it as a political assassination attempt by the Democrats. The Texas Democratic Party on one occasion called for Perry to resign, but when it quickly became obvious that Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, were condemning the indictments, even the Texas Democratic Party wisely shut up.

You imply that Lemberg has done everything an elected DA should do under the circumstances; i.e. plead guilty and "server her time." I doubt anyone other than Lemberg herself would agree that it's okay for a sitting DA to drive drunk, then not only stay in office, but also head the State's public integrity unit. If driving drunk and risking the lives of innocent people isn't enough to call her integrity into question, refusing to resign as DA simply because a Republican Governor would appoint a Republican to replace her most certainly does.

The fact that Democrats and liberals haven't been screaming for her resignation since the day she was arrested speaks volumes their character and integrity. This applies also to the Travis County Commissioners Court that could have and should have removed her from office.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:43 pm
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baldeagle wrote:Charles, do you think the legislature might do something to fix this problem? Pass a law requiring public official found guilty of a crime to step down?
Only if enough voters demand a law that requires the removal of elected officials with any criminal convictions above a Class C Misdemeanor. The state integrity unit belongs in the AG's office, not any county DA office, especially, the corrupt Travis County DA's office.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:06 pm
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Why is this criminal still in office? How many people have died because of criminals like this drunk?

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Three times the legal limit and she's still in office. BTW, she most certainly did try to spit on officers counselor.

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Want to see most of the events from the 911 call to her booking?

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Everyone needs to post these videos on their Facebook accounts and make sure all Texans know this is the criminal who is both the Travis County DA and the head of the state integrity unit! Travis County voters don't seem to care, the Texas Democratic Party doesn't care, so let's see how all Texans feel about it.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:56 pm
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C-dub wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
healthinsp wrote:The last time this happened it was a very similar case, except the governor vetoed funding for UT in an effort to get rid of some board members he didn't like.

If the politics were reversed, would the outrage still be the same?
The outrage is only from honest people who don't want a drunk with a DWI conviction heading up the State integrity unit. There is no question that she is unqualified to run that entity and she should have resigned. She didn't, Perry did the right thing by refusing to provide state funding for a unit run by a criminal, and this indictment is a sham. Remember, Travis County DAs have a rich history of indicting Republicans on bogus charges and they fail.

The State Capitol needs to be moved out of Travis County and to either Houston or Dallas, preferably Houston. That way Harris County would be the proper venue for all charges against public officials and we can have a much better chance of honesty. There's no chance of anything good happening in Travis County; a/k/a Chicago in Texas.

Chas.
Would Houston or Dallas really be that much better? Aren't they still run by liberals?
Yes, either would be much better, especially Houston since it's in Harris County. Both Dallas and Houston are Democrat cesspools, but Harris County is primarily Republican with a far more honest DA. Houston would be historically appropriate also.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:38 pm
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healthinsp wrote:The last time this happened it was a very similar case, except the governor vetoed funding for UT in an effort to get rid of some board members he didn't like.

If the politics were reversed, would the outrage still be the same?
The outrage is only from honest people who don't want a drunk with a DWI conviction heading up the State integrity unit. There is no question that she is unqualified to run that entity and she should have resigned. She didn't, Perry did the right thing by refusing to provide state funding for a unit run by a criminal, and this indictment is a sham. Remember, Travis County DAs have a rich history of indicting Republicans on bogus charges and they fail.

The State Capitol needs to be moved out of Travis County and to either Houston or Dallas, preferably Houston. That way Harris County would be the proper venue for all charges against public officials and we can have a much better chance of honesty. There's no chance of anything good happening in Travis County; a/k/a Chicago in Texas.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:26 pm
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n5wd wrote:To her credit, though, she never became physically confrontational, as many DUI do.
The police had to put a mask on her because she kept spitting on the officers and everyone else at the PD.

Chas.

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