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by Charles L. Cotton
Sat May 21, 2011 1:39 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 93752

Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

baldeagle wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
baldeagle wrote:
Owens wrote:So who are these 2 turncoat senators? THEY need to be given the opportunity to obtain other employment.

Some things definitely need to be changed. This outcome is totally ridiculous. No reason for it to have happened this way.

I wonder though if we would say the same thing if we used some of the same tactics to stop something we don't like.
Senators Lucio and Gallegos. You also have some flaming hypocrites. Senator Zaffirini, who is vehemently opposed to campus carry, along with Lucio and Gallegos, voted for politicians to carry whereever they want. You can't rise to a higher level of hypocrisy than that.
What is Sen. Gallegos' track record for gun owners? Do you know? Do you care?

Chas.
What's his track record? He voted AGAINST campus carry and FOR legislators carrying. What else do I need to know?
I owe you an apology; I had just responded to an email about Sen. Hinajosa and was thinking about him; not Sen. Gallegos. "Chuy" has done a lot for us, not Gallegos.

Sorry,
Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Fri May 20, 2011 4:17 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 93752

Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

I'm mad, frustrated, and disappointed just like everyone else. When the point-of-order was sustained on SB1581, I saw 3 years of work spiral down the political toilet. Alice and the NRA lobbyist felt the same way, perhaps even worse. I've drafted then deleted three posts and this probably isn't the best time for me to "talk" about this session. I'm mad at key people in Austin and I don't want to say something I regret and offend friends here on TexasCHLforum. I do want to make these general statements.

Everything that could possibly be done for campus-carry was done. Senator Wentworth battled harder for this legislation than most legislators do for any bill. The 2/3 rule in the Senate is and always has been a controversial subject. Many years ago we used it to block anti-gun legislation. In recent years, it has worked against us, but not often. I still don't like it.

I want to be candid about the campus-carry bills this session. While it's easy to point to two Senators and say they cost us campus-carry, that's not necessarily accurate. The truth is the opposition to campus-carry was absolutely huge and it was constant. For every pro campus-carry call, fax, or email sent, there were hundreds in opposition. And it never stopped; the calls and emails were coming to the very end. In all my years of legislative work, I've never seen the level of opposition to a gun bill, or any other bill for that matter. For those who watched the hearings in the House and Senate, the daily opposition ran just as strong.

The real irony is that some of the strongest opposition came from the very people we were trying to help -- college students and faculty. That's a hard fact to ignore when you are an elected official. I have no idea why it was so much stronger this session than last, and it certainly wasn't John Woods, though he'll likely take credit for it. He simply doesn't have the influence at the student/faculty level, much less with the deep pocket donors to universities who opposed the bills just as strongly.

It's clear there is a lot of educating that needs to be done before campus-carry passes. We have to remember that the general public simply doesn't care about this issue and the idea of "guns in school" still strikes fear in the hearts of many of those who are not as well educated on the facts of concealed carry and self-defense as are those in the active shooting community. It's not their fault, nor ours, it just the way it is. We have to change that through education.

There is a clear problem in the House and I'll report on that later. For now, let's all just take a step back, cool off, and plan calmly for the 2012 election and the 2013 legislative session. To do otherwise is an exercise in futility and we may damage relationships so vital to success in future sessions.

To the extent some of my posts may have already offended some, I truly apologize. Even grizzled old trial lawyers can get testy now and then. As always, thanks for your support of Texas gun owners.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Fri May 20, 2011 3:11 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 93752

Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

baldeagle wrote:
Owens wrote:So who are these 2 turncoat senators? THEY need to be given the opportunity to obtain other employment.

Some things definitely need to be changed. This outcome is totally ridiculous. No reason for it to have happened this way.

I wonder though if we would say the same thing if we used some of the same tactics to stop something we don't like.
Senators Lucio and Gallegos. You also have some flaming hypocrites. Senator Zaffirini, who is vehemently opposed to campus carry, along with Lucio and Gallegos, voted for politicians to carry whereever they want. You can't rise to a higher level of hypocrisy than that.
What is Sen. Gallegos' track record for gun owners? Do you know? Do you care?

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Fri May 20, 2011 3:08 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 93752

Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

Hoi Polloi wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:I understand you are upset with the outcome; so am I. But you don't have a clue what you are saying or what else was being attempted. It was not a dead issue when campus-carry was as added to SB5 or SB1581. An attempt was made to make it work, but it failed. This happened to us last session when Tommy Merritt was chairman of the House Public Safety Committee. We had to add things to the DPS sunset bill to get them passed.

Sen. Wentworth has been a strong supporter of gun owners and he's been a champion of campus-carry for two sessions.

Chas.
Charles,

I notice that your tone has changed regarding Campus Carry. You now say "the outcome," refer to it only in the past tense, and say the attempts to make it work failed. Do you believe Campus Carry is now dead despite a super majority in favor of it in the House and a majority in favor in the Senate?
Yes, campus-carry is dead; it died with the point-of-order called on SB1581 in the House.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Fri May 20, 2011 12:37 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 93752

Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

baldeagle wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:Sen. Wentworth is neither. The result would have been the same if SB5 have passed with campus-carry. The core germane rule was not the problem; the problem is the House rule against two totally different subject matters in the same bill. Although some portions of campus-carry were germane, it required extensive amendments to the Penal Code as well as amendments to Chp. 411 of the Gov't Code. Folks, when the two Senators went back on their word and didn't support suspending the rules to bring up SB354, then everything thereafter was Plan B, Plan C, . . .
Then Senator Wentworth is the worst kind of cynic. He never should have amended SB 5 and SB 1581 if he KNEW they would never make it through the House. He should have admitted defeat or continued to work to get the 21 votes.
I understand you are upset with the outcome; so am I. But you don't have a clue what you are saying or what else was being attempted. It was not a dead issue when campus-carry was as added to SB5 or SB1581. An attempt was made to make it work, but it failed. This happened to us last session when Tommy Merritt was chairman of the House Public Safety Committee. We had to add things to the DPS sunset bill to get them passed.

Sen. Wentworth has been a strong supporter of gun owners and he's been a champion of campus-carry for two sessions.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Fri May 20, 2011 10:50 am
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 93752

Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

JJVP wrote:
baldeagle wrote:Am I the only one thinking that Senator Wentworth is stupid? He never should have allowed the campus carry amendment, which passed the Senate, to be removed from SB 5. He should have recognized that germaneness would be challenged on SB 1581 once SB 5 was removed. I'm now thinking that the GOP rhetoric about supporting campus carry is just that - rhetoric. They have no real interest in the issue. They're simply trying to placate us without making any real changes.
:iagree: I saw this one coming the second I heard of the deal he made to remove the amendment from SB5. Campus carry was germane to SB1851 due to SB5. Once SB5 was removed from SB1851 then campus carry was no longer germane. Looks like he is the only one that didn't see it. He is either naive or incompetent.
Sen. Wentworth is neither. The result would have been the same if SB5 have passed with campus-carry. The core germane rule was not the problem; the problem is the House rule against two totally different subject matters in the same bill. Although some portions of campus-carry were germane, it required extensive amendments to the Penal Code as well as amendments to Chp. 411 of the Gov't Code. Folks, when the two Senators went back on their word and didn't support suspending the rules to bring up SB354, then everything thereafter was Plan B, Plan C, . . .

I'm not the least bit happy about the result, but everyone knows the Texas budget is in horrible shape, including spending on education. SB5 is a critical money saving bill in a session where school funding will be slashed. There was no way that Bill was going to be allowed to die for a totally unrelated issue. This all came to be because of the Senate's 2/3 rule allows for minority tyranny.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Fri May 13, 2011 9:56 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 93752

Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

artx wrote:I noticed the status now says:

H Scheduled for formal meeting on . . . 05/13/2011

What is a 'formal meeting' ?
The committee met this morning and it was voted favorably. Now to Calendars.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue May 10, 2011 6:17 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 93752

Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

GEM-Texas wrote:I'm very confused.

Has what has passed in the Senate have a realistic chance to pass in the House?

If it does pass in the House, are there convolutions still that can sink it?

Also, how does parking lots stand? Is that a done deal? Stupid me :shock: could use a summary.
SB1581 absolutely has a chance in the House. SB5 just passed today and it's already in the House, so it's going to get interesting.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue May 10, 2011 4:55 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 3639 - SB 1581
Replies: 383
Views: 93752

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I've seen photos of him in his "freaky" days but I can't find any now. Does anyone have links?

Chas.

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