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by Charles L. Cotton
Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:49 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Thinking of getting my CHL....questions
Replies: 25
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Re: Thinking of getting my CHL....questions

Kalrog wrote:Howdy and welcome Ashley! What part of the state do you live in? If it is the Austin area, I'm sure we could arrange for a few trial handguns before your class.
Charles L. Cotton wrote: Also, you cannot be barred from entry into the building and you cannot be told to "put your gun in the car." (Someone already tried that with me.)
That is a story I would like to hear.
I'll have to tell you that one over a cup of coffee. It was resolved by someone who is becoming a political friend and I don't want to cause him or his department any bad PR. :lol:

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:44 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Thinking of getting my CHL....questions
Replies: 25
Views: 2416

Re: Thinking of getting my CHL....questions

Welcome to TexasCHLforum Ashley. It's good to see you're getting your CHL and you've already been given good information in response to your questions. You don't have to make a final decision on what gun to carry before you take your class. Some ranges have rental guns you can use, or you can borrow one from a friend. As Crossfire said however, do have some experience with the type of gun you use, before you get to the class.

If you can, you really should come to the 2008 TexasCHLforum Day at PSC on Saturday, Sept. 27th. It's at PSC Shooting Club in Friendswood, TX. Here is a link to http://www.TexasShooting.com where you can find out all about the seminars, shooting clinics and mini-clinics that will be offered. (All of the information is linked from the TexasCHLforum Day menu.)

If you live close to Houston, you are welcome to come to PSC with me sometime and try a bunch of different guns to see if you find one you like.

Chas.

P.S.: Your friend is correct about "law enforcement facilities," but only under very limited circumstances. First, "law enforcement facility" is very narrowly defined. It means applies only to police and sheriffs, not to any other type of peace officer. Secondly, it does not apply to multi-use buildings, as often found in small towns. For example, if a municipal court clerk is inside the "secure" area, then it's a multi-use building. Finally, the law enforcement facility must have lock boxes to store your gun while you are in the building. Also, you cannot be barred from entry into the building and you cannot be told to "put your gun in the car." (Someone already tried that with me.) Here is the controlling statute; see subpart (b) & (c):
Tex. Gov't Code §411.207 wrote:§ 411.207. AUTHORITY OF PEACE OFFICER TO DISARM.
  • (a) A peace officer who is acting in the lawful discharge of the officer's
    official duties may disarm a license holder at any time the officer
    reasonably believes it is necessary for the protection of the
    license holder, officer, or another individual. The peace officer
    shall return the handgun to the license holder before discharging
    the license holder from the scene if the officer determines that the
    license holder is not a threat to the officer, license holder, or
    another individual and if the license holder has not violated any
    provision of this subchapter or committed any other violation that
    results in the arrest of the license holder.

    (b) A peace officer who is acting in the lawful discharge of
    the officer's official duties may temporarily disarm a license
    holder when a license holder enters a nonpublic, secure portion of a
    law enforcement facility, if the law enforcement agency provides a
    gun locker where the peace officer can secure the license holder's
    handgun. The peace officer shall secure the handgun in the locker
    and shall return the handgun to the license holder immediately
    after the license holder leaves the nonpublic, secure portion of
    the law enforcement facility.


    (c) A law enforcement facility shall prominently display at
    each entrance to a nonpublic, secure portion of the facility a sign
    that gives notice in both English and Spanish that, under this
    section, a peace officer may temporarily disarm a license holder
    when the license holder enters the nonpublic, secure portion of the
    facility. The sign must appear in contrasting colors with block
    letters at least one inch in height. The sign shall be displayed in
    a clearly visible and conspicuous manner.

    (d) In this section:
    • (1) "Law enforcement facility" means a building or a
      portion of a building used exclusively by a law enforcement agency
      that employs peace officers as described by Articles 2.12(1) and
      (3)
      , Code of Criminal Procedure, and support personnel to conduct
      the official business of the agency. The term does not include:
      • (A) any portion of a building not actively used
        exclusively to conduct the official business of the agency; or
        (B) any public or private driveway, street,
        sidewalk, walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking
        area.
      (2) "Nonpublic, secure portion of a law enforcement
      facility" means that portion of a law enforcement facility to which
      the general public is denied access without express permission and
      to which access is granted solely to conduct the official business
      of the law enforcement agency.
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