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by Charles L. Cotton
Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:43 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

Re: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
stroo wrote:Excellent piece Charles!!! :thumbs2:

You might consider submitting it to newspapers like the New York Post or the Washington Times and web sites like the Town Hall Blog, Michelle Malkin and Hugh Hewitt. At least then it would get wider posting in conservative circles that are not narrowly focused on 2nd Amendment rights.

Do you have any issues with my cutting and pasting it to a couple other gun forums that I am a member of with attribution to you of course?
I don't mind you posting it on other boards, either in whole or excerpts, but thanks for asking.

I'm going to call NRA HQ Monday and see if there is any objection to me submitting the article with a short bio identifying myself as an NRA Board member. I can do it without mentioning the NRA, but let's face it, that might help get some papers to print it as a contributed Op Ed article. I think it's too long for a letter to the editor and I don't want any creative editing done to make it an appropriate length.

Chas.
I have approval, so let me know of any papers you would like to me send the article to, along with the contact information. I'll take care of the Houston Chronicle.

Thanks folks,
Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:38 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

Re: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

Moonpie wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong(usually am :smilelol5: ).....but even if the politicians pass a law to allow CC on campuses won't a great majority of students still be unarmed as the law says no one under 21 may have a CHL?
Correct. The number of students 21 or over varies by institution, but there is a good chance that some in any given class will be armed. The odds are lower for freshman and sophomore level classes.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:44 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

Re: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

tornado wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:it’s time to say lives are just as valuable on university campuses as they are off campus.
While I can understand the need to pitch it this way for public consumption at first, I've yet to talk to anyone (though I've not talked to any hard-core anti's) who can tell me how my son's classmates would be less safe if I were carrying on the elementary school campus.

Anywhere a LEO can carry. :waiting:
The article is actually for a target audience, but the legislation I propose is not limited to universities. The Governor called for CHLs everywhere and I agree.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:45 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

Re: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

stroo wrote:Excellent piece Charles!!! :thumbs2:

You might consider submitting it to newspapers like the New York Post or the Washington Times and web sites like the Town Hall Blog, Michelle Malkin and Hugh Hewitt. At least then it would get wider posting in conservative circles that are not narrowly focused on 2nd Amendment rights.

Do you have any issues with my cutting and pasting it to a couple other gun forums that I am a member of with attribution to you of course?
I don't mind you posting it on other boards, either in whole or excerpts, but thanks for asking.

I'm going to call NRA HQ Monday and see if there is any objection to me submitting the article with a short bio identifying myself as an NRA Board member. I can do it without mentioning the NRA, but let's face it, that might help get some papers to print it as a contributed Op Ed article. I think it's too long for a letter to the editor and I don't want any creative editing done to make it an appropriate length.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:38 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

Re: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

KC5AV wrote:One thing I see that you might want to correct.
Although the media tried to skew public opinion concerning Ms. Murray by referring to her as a former police officer, she had not worn a badge in over ten years
Should be Ms. Assam.

An excellent piece. Thanks for all that you do.
Wow, that was quite a mistake! Thanks for catching it. My apologies to the brave lady!
Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:37 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

Re: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

Kalrog wrote:One thing I think you might be wrong regarding - Charles:
The number of such shootings though small are increasing.
The stats I keep hearing say that the number of shootings in schools and the like has been cut in half in the past 10 years. Far from increasing, it is decreasing.
From a peak in 1999 with 6 incidents leaving 16 dead and 46 wounded, the trend was declining to a low in 2002 with 1 incident resulting in 2 dead. However, from 2003 on, the trend was increasing in both the number of incidents and the resulting casualty count. From 1996 to 2002 (6 years), there were 27 incidents leaving 49 dead and 117 wounded. From 2003 when the trend started up again, until 2007, (4 years) there were 16 incidents leaving 71 dead and 61 wounded.

While the number of incidents since 2002 are lower than the peak years of 1997 through 2001, the number of incidences are on the increase and the number of deaths are at least 50% higher. I don't see that the school shootings are half what they were 10 years ago. I got the information from this website http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html I counted only shootings in the United States.

Here is a chart based upon the information on the above-referenced website.

Chas.
School Shootings in the U.S.

YEAR No. Killed Wounded
1996 1 3 1
1997 5 7 16
1998 5 9 36
1999 6 16 46
2000 5 7 0
2001 5 4 18
2002 1 3 0
2003 3 4 3
2004 1 3 6
2005 2 8 2
2006 4 9 18
2007 5 40 17
2008 1 7 15
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:44 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

Re: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

jimlongley wrote:Chas,

Would you consider submitting that to the various newspapers?
I'm thinking about doing just that, but I need to make sure I'm not breaking any protocol first.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:42 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

Re: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

Kalrog wrote:One thing I think you might be wrong regarding - Charles:
The number of such shootings though small are increasing.
The stats I keep hearing say that the number of shootings in schools and the like has been cut in half in the past 10 years. Far from increasing, it is decreasing.
If you're keeping stats, you may be right, but it sure seems like the frequency is increasing over a relatively short period of time. Have you plotted the school shootings by time?

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:39 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

Re: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

shootthesheet wrote:
smyrna wrote: ....If so, just how close are we in Texas to allowing CHL in schools? Anyone?
It is my opinion that we are as close as the number of voices that are raised. We need a massive CHL voice but more so we need school officials, LEOs, Legislators and most importantly the parents of children in school. There is nothing that cannot be done for the positive if we are willing to stir the pot long enough to educate those who need to be educated.

It is my opinion that Texas needs a "Marion Hammer" type personality to embody easing the restrictions on school carry as well as getting the courthouse carry problem fixed and other things. Where is S.G. Hupp and can she be effective with the average Joe as well as the powers that be? We need a voice that unites CHLs with others so that the average CHL holder can work with the masses in standing up for this needed change. That way, I would feel better about openly supporting it without everyone knowing I am a CHL holder. I could be looked upon as just another supporter of safer schools and all.

I cannot expect a special session to be called so, that gives us some time to organize and educate. Again, this average nobody asks those with the connections to do all the leg work while I can only lend my voice. Thanks to all those that have, do, and will do the work that allows our voices to be heard.
:cheers2:
Things are already being done, but I can't say more at this time. When the time comes to "motivate" elected officials, the word will go out. The last thing we need now is uncoordinated activity, but I know that's not what you are advocating. AS much as I'd like to discuss everything in detail, some efforts must be done quietly.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:02 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

Re: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

AEA wrote:Why can't Texas lead the Nation with a "Special Call" of the Legislature and get this passed NOW? :roll:
I wish we could, but that would put too much focus on our bill. We work better when there is a flurry of activity on thousands of bills.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:31 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

Re: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

Greybeard wrote:Excellent writing. Maybe double check me here, but I think the Colorado psycho killed two sisters in the parking lot before entering the church.
You're right, two dead and three wounded. The first report I read said one dead and four wounded.

Thanks!
Chas,
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:26 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

Re: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

Rokyudai wrote:Well said...

Any plans to submit in other media i.e. letter's to the editor etc? This could hit 'virgin' ears in the mainstream compared to the faithful on the CHL blogs.


:tiphat:
I'll try a few, but I suspect they won't pick it up.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:35 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?
Replies: 64
Views: 7216

HOW HIGH MUST THE BODY-COUNT GO?

Here is a copy of an article I published on TexasCHLblog
Chas.
TexasCHLblog.com wrote: There are many issues concerning which reasonable minds may differ. Should taxes be raised or lowered? Are we winning the war on terror? Is the Patriot Act unpatriotic? Should Texas school districts be able to start the fall semester before September 1st each year? Are local zoning ordinances too restrictive or too lenient? There are opinions, often strongly held opinions, on both sides of all of these issues and that’s a good thing. It forces all of us to defend our respective positions and in so doing, we reevaluate our beliefs and the facts supporting those beliefs. But there are some disputes that defy logic and reason. Some of those groundless disputes have tragic consequences.

School shootings are rare, as are shootings in churches, malls and anywhere else would-be mass murderers can find a target-rich environment. However, extensive media coverage of these events is having an impact and it is not a beneficial impact. The number of such shootings though small are increasing. Consider also that people who commit mass murders tend to be suicidal; as the military and police say, “they have no exit strategy.� That a fancy way of saying they have come to kill and to die themselves. That is terrifying!

We can all scratch our collective heads and try to fathom why Charles Carl Roberts, IV would walk into an Amish girls school and start shooting innocent children killing five (Oct. 2, 2006); or why Seung-Hui Cho killed thirty-two people and wounded seventeen more at Virginia Tech (April 16, 2007); or why Stephen Kazmierczak, a twenty-seven year old “very good student� walked into Northern Illinois University (Feb. 15, 2008) and killed six students? The mystery behind these murderers’ motives probably will never be fully understood, but we know precisely why they selected their respective venues to do their random killing. Every one of these events took place in an allegedly “gun free zone.�

Many have stopped using the “gun free zone� euphemism choosing to more accurately label these areas “gun free victim zones.� This term is more than just a catchy phrase, or a great sound bite for those pushing to remove legal restrictions that make such mass murders possible. It is a supremely accurate description of the places where we send our children and college age sons and daughters to learn. We owe it to them, to their children and to ourselves to remove the human hunting grounds legislatively created.

As any trial attorney knows, one element of a civil lawsuit that must be proven in court is “causation.� Often, this issue is far from clear and very difficult to prove. But the “causation� element in recent mass murders is as obvious as the proverbial “nose on your face.� Roberts, Cho, Kazmierczak and all of the other school shooters chose their locations for one reason and one reason only – they were “gun free victim zones.� Have you ever heard of someone trying to do this at a police station, a military base, or perhaps a shooting range? It doesn’t take a doctorate in sociology or psychology to understand why these murderers choose schools; they are legislatively created killing fields. In each state where these tragedies occurred, state law prohibited citizens licensed to carry handguns from bringing those defensive firearms into the schools. They could carry them virtually everywhere else, except of course in Illinois, but not in schools. In their infinite wisdom, elected officials apparently determined that otherwise responsible, law-abiding citizens would be transformed into dangerous would-be murders. What lunacy!

Thankfully, there are dedicated elected officials who are working hard to bring an end to the easy target zone others have created and jealously maintain. Texas Governor Perry announced shortly after the Virginia Tech tragedy that all Texans with Concealed Handgun Licenses (CHLs) should be able to carry their guns anywhere in Texas. Finally, a voice of reason; someone showing true compassion and concern for human life, rather than spouting a political mantra. Another state senator willing to take up the cause is Indiana State Senator Johnny Nugent who sponsored SB356 that would have allowed all Indiana CHLs to carry defensive handguns on any State property, including universities. This bill failed by one vote on February 7, 2008. In view of the Northern Illinois University shooting eight days later, one must wonder how many Indiana Senators would like to have that vote back? Senator Nugent’s words must still be ringing in their ears:
  • “Criminals love to operate in areas where guns are outlawed, because they know their victims are defenseless. This bill is about safety and restoring Hoosiers’ right to self-defense no matter where they are. It simply isn’t right that, as a lawmaker, I am permitted to carry a handgun at the Statehouse, but members of our staff or citizens with valid carry permits cannot. Prohibiting them from carrying a weapon for which they have a legal permit is not acceptable and the law needs to be changed.â€?
Thank you Senator Nugent.

Often debate on bills involves some speculation or prognostication as to the effect of a change in the law. In this instance, no speculation is required. People are dying in “gun free victim zones� and the media is unwittingly increasing the danger by giving attention-starved murderers their fifteen minutes of fame. Contrast these shootings with the events at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado where, on December 9, 2007, Matthew Murray walked into the church planning yet another mass murder. Fortunately for the congregation, Colorado CHL holder Jeanne Assam, a volunteer member of the Church’s security team, was present with her handgun. She shot Murray, limiting the death toll to two, with three wounded. Although the media tried to skew public opinion concerning Ms. Assam by referring to her as a former police officer, she had not worn a badge in over ten years. As she herself noted, she was an armed citizen doing what was right to save lives. And save lives she did. At the time of the shooting, there were about 7,000 people on the church grounds. Colorado Springs Police Chief Richard Myers described Ms. Assam as, “a courageous security staff member who probably saved many lives.�

The issue is clear and there can be no intellectually honest debate. “Gun free school zones� are killing people in alarming numbers and we are long past the time when the law must be changed. This issue will come up in the Texas Legislature in the 2009 Legislative Session and our elected officials need to follow the lead of Texas Governor Rick Perry and Indiana Senator Johnny Nugent. We trust CHLs to carry defensive handguns virtually everywhere else in the State; it’s time to say lives are just as valuable on university campuses as they are off campus.

To those who oppose this change I ask, how high must the body-count go, before you put politics and prejudice aside and vote to save lives?

Chas.

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