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by PUCKER
Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:52 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: The Future of CHL
Replies: 66
Views: 9156

Re: The Future of CHL

Keith - that was my point, but I guess you were being rhetorical, right? LOL, all I've got to say is that concealed is concealed.

There are folks who've "halfway" attempted to get it right too - I've seen small 30.06 signs (they're barely noticeable), which, of course, are invalid, but at first glance the wording did appear to be correct but the signs were waaaay too small, like 8.5"x11" sheet of paper, or smaller, the wording clearly was not 1" tall as prescribed by 30.06. Maybe the law needs to include criminal penalties for the arresting officer if the sign is not valid? I know, a pipe-dream!

I tell you what I'd like to see (but will probably never happen), a state-mandated AND produced 30.06 sign (can you say TX Prison System labor?? like license plates) and language in the law that would spell it out quite clearly that to properly prohibit CHL that it had to be THAT sign that was posted, no other sign...and on EVERY entrance (as jimlongley has mentioned/posted). From what I recall and have seen on these forums, TABC provides a downloadable sign that the end-user prints out, of course, this is a much smaller sign - but does TABC also provide 51% establishments with a hard copy of the sign if requested? Just curious, as all of the 51% signs I've seen have been identical, same with the "unlicensed possession" signs.
Keith B wrote:
PUCKER wrote:Keith - (here I go beating this "dead horse" again LOL) From what you've posted and we've discussed (here: http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=30459" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) the specific 30.06 wording doesn't matter to some cops.
Yep. And your point is?

My point is that with the requirements we have the size of the sign is a deterrent for many businesses to post, worded exactly right or not. If they attempt to get it right, then it will still be big. And, I have the option to choose if I ignore a non-compliant sign. If I so choose to do so, then I ALWAYS run the risk of some LEO who decides they want to pursue arresting me for carrying because I was found out and they are ignorant of the law or choose to ignore it. And yes, there are lots of different types of cases where they are aware of the law but bend it to their liking anyway and let the Prosecuting Attorney or Judge sort out the actual meaning and interpretation.
by PUCKER
Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:52 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: The Future of CHL
Replies: 66
Views: 9156

Re: The Future of CHL

Keith - (here I go beating this "dead horse" again LOL) From what you've posted and we've discussed (here: http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=30459" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) the specific 30.06 wording doesn't matter to some cops.
Keith B wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:IMO, 30.06 signs are our Texas friends.

AFAIK, Texas is the only state that has a specific no CHL sign in usage. In other states, you pretty much have to assume that any "no guns" sign aplies to everybody - CHL and otherwise.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about the other state's signs...or, :smilelol5: anything else.
Some states are that way, but Missouri for one has a specific size (11 x 14) with 1" letters and must state 'concealed carry prohibited ' in the wording. I know there are other states that have similar requirements also, just not off the top of my head without checking out http://www.handgunlaw.us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. The advantage we have is the specific wording, size and two languages which makes it undesirable for many locations that might just post otherwise. :thumbs2:

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