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JustSomeOldGuy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:04 pm re: 'Hock's analysis.
Was it the best solution? No. Was it the best acceptable solution given that the average church has 1) no money to hire secret service level talent and 2) probably doesn't have secret service level talent among the congregation? Absolutely, especially when the alternative is a Luby's Cafeteria style debacle. And given that the mission of the average church is NOT to "bounce someone's <posterior> to the moon".

Hock, my personal opinion is that you're a jerk. You're comparing apples and oranges.......

Bingo. A church service is NOT a multi-layered super secret service SWAT protected event. It just isn’t, and if a church's leadership tried to make it that way, I’d worship elsewhere. Yes, churches need security teams, and the bigger the church and the more complicated it’s operations, the more complicated the security posture needs to be. But balanced against that is whether or not you are losing sight of the church's mission - which is the Great Commission. If you lose sight of that, your in a misled church. And part of the Great Commission is making sure that the spiritually hungry can enter and and be fed from The Word.

Anyone who has volunteered extensively at a church has experienced the rootless and the weird wandering in looking for a handout. It’s a fact of church life, and if you harden yourself against the possibility, then you fail in your mission.

Another tidbit.... an LEO family member of mine who has had direct dealings with the perp before, and arrested him once, said the report his dept got was that the perp was wearing a black wig and fake black beard when he attacked the church. Maybe he thought they wouldn't recognize him and give him some money?

SewTexas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:20 pm is it disturbing to anyone else to watch this man talk without moving his lips????

Have you ever noticed that he doesn’t appear in mirrors?

dlh wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:22 am

philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:43 am Parishioner hero with a license to carry - Security Guard

Hero defender of the congregation - Gunman

These are not accidents or a rush to get a story out, this is ingrained negative bias.

The murderers sister said it was her other brother’s Birthday. He committed suicide in 2008.

Both brothers were on and off homeless. He came to the church often for help. He apparently could quote the Bible. She was unaware of any hard feelings he had for the church as they had always treated him well.

One shot from Mr. Wilson. Two shotgun blasts, but one was supposedly at the ceiling. Three dead. Did I miss something?

The evil murderer first shot Mr. White then fired a second blast into Mr. Wallace. Mr. Wilson then shot the evil murderer. There may have been a third shotgun blast into the ceiling contemporaneous with the shot from Mr. Wilson.

Some say there was a second parishioner who also shot the evil murderer but nobody has been identified in that supposed shooting and that may not have happened. If there was I would like to hear from him too since we have heard now from Mr. Wilson.

I made some sequential stills from the church video...... I’ll see if I can’t post them.....

#1. The hero is pulling the trigger, and the bad guy has started moving toward the stage with the gun leveled:


#2. The hero's gun is in recoil. The bad guy has been hit, jerked the shotgun muzzle upward, and fired a shot toward the ceiling. The muzzle flash is evident:


#3. The hero's gun is recovering from recoil. The bad guy has gone rag doll and has begun to slump to the floor:


My son's brother-in-law is a long time River Oaks police officer, and now a detective. It’s a small dept and small community. I last saw him on Christmas Day, and I haven’t had a chance to talk to him since, to see if he knows the killer. But I’d be surprised if he didn’t.

retrieverman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:20 pm I’ve watched the unedited video about 50 times to try to learn from this situation, and I’ve concluded I need to re-evaluate what and how I carry at church.

"What" is not so much the issue for me a "how". My church is posted 30.07, so OC is out of the question. Were it not, I’d likely carry in my shoulder holster. Otherwise, I usually carry either OWB or AIWB. For reasons of comfort, I prefer OWB over AIWB, but my OWB holster isn’t worn so far around behind my hip as the poor gentleman wore his who the church killer shot first. If I were OC'ing, my draw stroke would still be reasonably quick. However, I am pretty much always fastest drawing from AIWB. But even though I can carry that way for hours and I’m faster with it that way, it’s not nearly as comfortable, so I tend not to carry that way unless it’s my G43.

The guy who took out the trash was a trained shooter.

bbhack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:03 pm I dl'ed the video before it was removed, if anyone wants a copy.

Pm sent.