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tbrown wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:55 pm Meh. Either "shall not be infringed" means what it says, or the Constitution is meaningless and there's no social contract.

Your move Trump.

No argument out of me, which is why state laws in these matters are nearly irrelevant. Classifying an accessory as a "firearm", when it is plainly NOT a gun, but an accessory for a gun, is appalling dishonest to me. Using that tool, they can ban anything they want, as they did with bump stocks. Put a muffler on a lawnmower, and it’s just a muffler. Remove it and thread it onto the barrel of your .22 pistol, and it becomes a firearm—even though it’s performing the same function as it did on the lawnmower.

Rubicon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:29 pm If y'all are OK with the Texas Republican'ts killing this bill, I'm OK with whatever federal restrictions Trump puts on silencers.

"What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?"

It’s not so much that I’m ok with Texas republicans killing the bill—I’m not—as it is that I see this bill as somewhat irrelevant so long as ATF continues to regard suppressors as firearms requiring registration rather than as a simple accessory, which is what they are.

TreyHouston wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:42 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 1:51 pm

Rubicon wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 11:19 am Laws like this never had a chance thanks to Dennis Bonnen and Dan Patrick.

Even if they weren’t a problem, suppressor regulation is STIILL under ATF jurisdiction. The state can pass all the laws it wants, and if you violate ATF suppressor regs and get found out, ATF agents will still show up to arrest you, and put you in federal pounding in the butt prison.....and there’s nothing the state can do to stop that. This needs to be fixed at the federal level.

I understand your thinking TAM. But you also have to look at it the other way with sanctuary cities and all the drug laws being passed by states including Colorado which is about to legalize psychedelic mushrooms. I personally prefer some baseline federal laws.

Grumpy1993 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:48 pm [quote="The Annoyed Man" post_id=<a href="tel:1251356">1251356</a> time=<a href="tel:1559242290">1559242290</a> user_id=2929]
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Laws like this never had a chance thanks to Dennis Bonnen and Dan Patrick.

Even if they weren’t a problem, suppressor regulation is STIILL under ATF jurisdiction. The state can pass all the laws it wants, and if you violate ATF suppressor regs and get found out, ATF agents will still show up to arrest you, and put you in federal pounding in the butt prison.....and there’s nothing the state can do to stop that. This needs to be fixed at the federal level.
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Marijuana is illegal per Federal law. The DEA has jurisdiction throughout the nation. They can send pot smokers and growers to that same butt prison.....and there’s nothing the state can do to stop that.

BUT

In practice, there's a big difference between smoking a joint in Colorado and doing the same thing in Texas. For somebody growing a couple of plants in their back yard for personal use (no interstate commerce) there's an even bigger difference.

As a second order effect, does anybody want to lay odds on whether it's "fixed at the federal level" first for marijuana or suppressors?
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You’re both right..... BUT.... the problem still remains at the federal level; and the feds being the "generous and understanding souls" that they usually are, you’ll still end up in a prison where Preparation H is a survival tool.

Rubicon wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 11:19 am Laws like this never had a chance thanks to Dennis Bonnen and Dan Patrick.

Even if they weren’t a problem, suppressor regulation is STIILL under ATF jurisdiction. The state can pass all the laws it wants, and if you violate ATF suppressor regs and get found out, ATF agents will still show up to arrest you, and put you in federal pounding in the butt prison.....and there’s nothing the state can do to stop that. This needs to be fixed at the federal level.

ATF regs would still apply, no matter what law a state passes. Regulation of suppressors still falls under federal jurisdiction, and if the feds say you have to wait for a tax stamp, then you have to wait, and you still have to pay the fee.

The fastest way to get a suppressor remains filing a form 1 and building your own. (And, it’s a lot cheaper too.)