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anygunanywhere wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:31 am

José Shalom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:03 am

jason812 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:31 pmAlso, who is going to admit on a public forum that they have unregistered NFA items?

The same kind of hotheads who admit on a public forum they won't comply if semiauto rifles become NFA items.

Well, I guess that makes me a hothead.

Tyrants do not enforce the laws they enact. They send someone else, someone’s son, daughter, father, or mother. Those who would be tasked with enforcing such unconstitutional and unjust laws understand the consequences, at least most do.

Sincerely,
Hothead.

Can I change my screen name?

FWIW, by hotheads, I meant those who think that you’re some kind of coward unless you’re willing to immediately engage in a shooting war and start killing liberals if this law passes. I’m stating that I will not comply with the law if it passes, but neither will I immediately open fire on the first person I see who voted democrat.

WISDOM dictates FIRST securing/improving your position, taking steps to protect your investment from registration by removing them from possible discovery, and only THEN planning for whatever actions come next to rectify the situation.

To date, I am in compliance with NFA, and have no undeclared items. I did that because it was the least amount of hassle, with the lowest risk, to be able to have the things I wanted to have. On the day NFA requires me to register common rifles, which were not NFA items when I purchased them, and which I purchased lawfully and in good faith, that is the day that my compliance with NFA will stop. That compliance will stop, because the NFA will have broken the last bonds of trust.

I do not have any unregistered NFA items, but I can promise you that if I did, I would NOT brag about it on an open forum. I wouldn’t even jokingly [wink wink]imply[/nudge nudge] that I might maybe have something unregistered. People who hate my rights read this forum. Why would I give them ammunition to use against me RIGHT NOW?

Yes, I could have built NFA items and failed to register them. I did not, because failing to register them made them effectively unavailable to me. Transporting and/or using unregistered NFA items would add an element of risk to my life that I have been unwilling to accept up to this point. One could call me a coward for being unwilling to risk a 10 year felony conviction and the attached fines, but I could say that talk is cheap, and if you assumed that risk when there was no need for it, then you’re a reckless fool. Coward, meet reckless fool. Aren’t we a pretty pair? And did that name calling actually help anything? Did it help to create unity in the pro-gun-rights community? How about we ease up on one another, and accept that MY risk analysis doesn’t necessarily apply to YOU, and visa versa?

It’s real easy to preach that uncompromising hero crap if one is sitting on a 100 acre property out in the middle of nowhere, where one is MUCH less likely to interact with “authority figures”—calling into question the good character and intentions of people who live in suburbia. Frankly though, it’s nothing but virtue-signaling, and it’s about as useful as when SJWs do it.

How about we accept at face value that, when people SAY they will not comply, they actually MEAN they will not comply? How about we stop virtue-signaling because we think that someone else’s more measured and considered approach isn’t violently revolutionary enough to satisfy our blood lust?

Crap on a cracker. Sometimes we are our own worst enemies.

RicoTX wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:21 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:57 am

montgomery wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:41 am

Gator Guy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:30 am Unless somebody doesn't comply with NFA already, I'm skeptical they will start, no matter what other firearms fall under that unconstitutional un-law.

Non-compliance is a cowardly act in the absence of performing a patriot act.

Can someone explain to me what those two statements are supposed to mean in this context? I seriously do not get it.

I agree with gator guy.
Basically I think gator guy means if you already comply with the rules, chances are you will comply in the future regardless of the rules. In other words, you haven't fought back yet regarding 2a restrictions, why would anyone believe differently in the future?

I think what Montgomery is saying is that most people won't put their money (and freedom/life) where their mouth is... basically.

My interpretation.... apologies to both if I missed the mark.

Some will continue to comply. Some won't. I don't think you can make a realistic blanket statement about what all will do or not do, until such time as the event happens. To date, I have been compliant with the NFA, as regards those NFA items I already own. I complied, because NFA was already the state of the law at the time that I acquired/built NFA controlled items, and I generally want to be a law-abiding person.

Similarly, I got myself a CHL/LTC when I moved to Texas, because that was the state of existing law in Texas, and I wanted to be able to lawfully carry a firearm. But when I still lived in California, I occasionally carried a handgun unlawfully, occasionally on my person, occasionally in my vehicle. I did not carry one by default, only doing it when I felt as though carrying one was the only reasonable thing to do. For instance, I carried one while the Rodney King riots were ongoing, and I worked in downtown Los Angeles. For all practical purposes, you can't get a carry license in Los Angeles county, where I lived. There was no remediable way for me to obtain the license so I could carry lawfully. Therefore, I carried unlawfully whenever I felt it to be the prudent, reasonable thing to do.

BUT.... I did not sign up for further restrictions on those rights. I'm not happy with the current state of the law, but I also see no profit in going to prison as long as there is a fairly easy way to get/do what I need to get/do, within the confines of existing law. But if HR 1263 becomes the law of the land, that changes everything.

If it passes, I will simply not comply with it. There are ways to resist. I already have two NFA-registered AR lowers on my trust, and some suppressors. I think it's a given that if HR 1263 passes, ATF will show up some day to demand that those items to be surrendered. Those two lowers are FAR from the only ones we have. I am NOT going to register, turn in, or destroy anything else that is not currently registered, and I am NOT going to get rid of them. And now, I know how to manufacture suppressor replacements if necessary. Hell, there's no 4473 on file with MY name on it for a number of the firearms I lawfully purchased. Where there IS such a 4473 on file with my name on it, I sold that gun to a guy named Joe I met at a farmer's market two years ago. There are a lot of options that would "keep me in business" until it is strategically time to dig them up and put them to use for tactical purposes.

Here's a thought for the hotheads.... is it better to throw your life away with little meaningful result, or is it better to fight a delaying action and live until you are able to strike back with good effect? I'm not a young man. I've had a good life. If I have to die in defense of liberty, I'd view that as a better death than dying of a wasting disease at an older age. But if I am to die in defense of liberty, I want my death to have meaning. My death is meaningless if I am quietly killed in the middle of the night by federal agents who tell all my neighbors that I was a terrorist plotting an attack to blow up the Alamo on Texas Independence Day. My neighbors will say, "wow, and he was such a quiet guy. He was the perfect neighbor. Who knew?"

No. I'd want my death to mean more than that. I'd want my neighbors to be inspired by the sacrifice to begin resisting gov't themselves. I'd want my sacrifice to result in extensive damage to the gov't's ability to prosecute such a campaign against other American gun owners. That means playing it smart - EVEN IF the hotheads aren't satisfied because I didn't handle it they way they think I should have.

My stuff. My life. I'll decide how to manage it.