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OneGun wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:01 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:53 am https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... ni-killing

Omar threatens to step in and stop Trump after he orders the killing of Iranian General responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American servicemen.

Let's just summarize: Obama designated the Iranian General as a Terrorist responsible for more than 400 Americans killed. Trump kills the Terrorist and Omar is upset with Trump. We know she suffers from cranial-rectal inversion syndrome, but she is Stage V.

philip964 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:42 pm Do you think if a person becomes a terrorist and then kills Americans and themself, (suicide bomber?) should they receive a check for their criminal actions?

https://m.sfgate.com/news/media/Muslim- ... 848509.php

Omar believes they should.

Didn’t just overnight get like this. Did it as a State Representative.

Minnesota State Rep. Ilhan Omar, 34, is a Somali refugee and one of only two members of his state government body to vote against

MaduroBU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:53 pm I'll stand up and say that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians concerns me. The Palestinians have not made themselves a very sympathetic group, between atrocious leadership and bring used as an excuse to exterminate Jews by all of Israel's neighbors since 1948. Israel has a unique mandate as an ethno-state (something that we in the West wouldn't tolerate under virtually any other circumstance), but they're also a Western democracy. They're also unqiue in that the religious and political climates of their neighbors put them in a strategic position that we cannot understand in the West. Giving up Golan would put all of Northern Israel (including Tel Aviv) in Syrian artillery range, while giving up the West Bank would make a 9 mile wide strip of land connecting Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. If you live in Texas you think "Who cares?". If you have relatives who remember how they maintained 10:1 kill ratios in wadis along the Golan to save the country, those strategic and tactical considerations are very real. "On Both Banks of the Suez" and "The Heights of Courage" are great reads, but they also put into perspective how close and personal the Yom Kippur war was versus the conflicts that we can recall which all took place an ocean away. The Israeli position toward Palestineans hinges upon an absolute unwillingness to allow them to act as a third column or as a means of cedeing strategically vital territory (e.g. WB or Gaza, particularly with no Sinai buffer).

I think that there are valid criticisms of Israeli policy toward Palestinians, but it's also extremely easy to forget how much history goes into those conflicts. It's also too easy for us to minimize the fear and reactions of a group of people who have faced extermination at least twice in the span of 30 years. You cannot encapsulate the complex decisions in a Twitter post or a Facebook rant, and if you do, it's bound to appear (or maybe actually be) an anti-Semitic trope that does nothing to advance important discussions.

Some of the harshest critics and some of the most ardent defenders of Israeli policies are Jews. That diversity of opinion is supported by a shared understanding that NONE of the opinions voiced are motivated by anti-Semitism. That safety is a necessary precursor to meaningful debates on Israeli policy, and Omar's flippant comments completely undermine it. I don't know if she hates Jews or if she is just a moron, but it is clear that she moved her own aims backward by saying something idiotic.

Gator Guy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:55 am

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm

srothstein wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:19 am It is very educational to note who has come out in her defense in the media also. Not in defense of her saying her opinion, but in defense of that opinion itself. It is not just the immigrants and refugees who feel this way. It appears to me that the liberal, left-leaning base of the Democratic party are saying that she is right too. This is also revealing to me. I can only hope that many other American Jews are seeing this and wondering if it has become time for them to leave the Democratic party, as it has left them.

I think this is a bigger question than just concerning American Jews. I think it is part of a larger winnowing of the harvest.

I am not Jewish, so I cannot claim to speak for Jews. But as a Christian, grafted onto Father Abraham’s vine, I can most certainly speak in support of Jews, and to issues affecting their wellbeing - most particularly their well-being as my fellow citizens. I am aware of the historical tradition of Jewish intellectual rigor, and the consequent presence of Jews in academic endeavor in numbers out of proportion to their representation in the population. In and of itself, that was never a bad thing. But I think I can say - because this affected my own family too - that intellectual pursuits, within the cloistered environment of academia, can tempt one into believing the lie that the power of one’s own intellect frees one of the need to follow a higher power. And by the way, some of this trend has affected Christianity too. It’s really - at least in my opinion - about the war between secularism and spirituality.

So in the end, just as we end up with 2 kinds of Christians under academic pressure, we also end up with 2 kinds of Jews. For purposes of describing this phenomenon, you can even lump Jews and Christians together into those two kinds.....

There are the kinds for whom intellectual rigor and pursuit is a spritual exercise, in which they seek to know more about, and draw closer to, their God. They understand obedience to scriptural precepts, and they actually seek the Deity’s help in achieving that obedience....on a personal level. It’s a faith of submission.

Then there are the kinds for whom intellectual rigor and pursuit is a liberation exercise, in which they seek to be freed from the “autocratic” precepts of Scrupture, so that they may pursue making the world a better place according to their definitions, not God’s. It’s not a faith of submission.

We ask why American Jews would tend to politically support those policies which are harmful to Judaism, or politicians who would gladly see them wiped out. But we also ask why a Catholic Pope or Cardinals would not excommunicate nominally Catholic governors or congresswomen who actively promote infanticide at birth. We ask why a prominent “evangelical” Protestant “thought leader” would use his pulpit to promote abortion, or same-sex marriage, under the false notion that both are sanctioned by Jesus, even when Scriptures very CLEARLY say differently.

So while we can keep asking that question, about when American Jews will see the writing on the wall and flee the democrat party, we could say the same thing about many alleged Christians, who pursue what is euphemistically called “liberation theology”, but literally has nothing to do with submission to the Lord, and everything to do with pushing a humanist doctrine in place of submission.

So I don’t think Jews are in this alone. I think that a lot of us are asking the same kinds of questions - Jews and Christians alike.


CAVEAT regarding Same-Sex marriage: in my own opinion, I do not believe that God sanctions same-sex marriages. But I also believe in the notion of civil/political liberty, and that is why I don’t think that the state can or should abrogate the right of same-sex couples to codify their relationships. This war is in the spiritual plane, and it will be won or lost there. I believe it has already been won - by God - and the rest of us just have some catching up to do. In a secular sense, it’s none of my business. In a spiritual sense, God won, and I just haven’t seen it yet.

While I don't disagree with you here, maybe we should all remember forum rule #11:

11. Off-topic posts/threads: Since they tend to cause the most problems for other boards, our "off-topic" sub-forum is not an "anything goes" area. Absolutely no discussions of immigration/border security, abortion, race matters, or any other hot-button political issues. (Gun-related political issues can be discussed in the Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues forum.)

Religion or theology may only be discussed in the context of threats or criminal acts committed in the name of a religion, and in thoughtful responses to those threats and acts.

Not everybody on this forum agrees with our position, and this should not be a wedge issue that will divide gun owners.

srothstein wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:19 am It is very educational to note who has come out in her defense in the media also. Not in defense of her saying her opinion, but in defense of that opinion itself. It is not just the immigrants and refugees who feel this way. It appears to me that the liberal, left-leaning base of the Democratic party are saying that she is right too. This is also revealing to me. I can only hope that many other American Jews are seeing this and wondering if it has become time for them to leave the Democratic party, as it has left them.

RottenApple wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:29 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:24 pm That’s not actually “new”. I saw that story on Twitter 2 weeks ago, before her anti Semitic rant.

Which one? SHe's been spouting off since before she was elected.

bblhd672 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:32 am I don’t know if the battle lines have been this clearly defined since the 1860’s. Not geographical but ideological.
The question is blaring daily in regards to our republic, “Can you keep it?”

philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:10 pm https://alphanewsmn.com/new-evidence-su ... r-brother/

New evidence claims married her brother.

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:41 am

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:48 amThere’s that other fool ... can’t remember his name ... who was describing Palestine “from the river to the sea”. They’re not just supporting the PLO. They’re advocating for the destruction of Israel as a nation.

Marc Lamont Hill

philip964 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:24 pm Many gun grabber sites point to Somila as why gun controls are needed.