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RossA wrote:I wonder what would happen if I showed up at one of their classes with an old school Hi Power?
"It's too much like a 1911!"

You know.......I thought of that when I wrote my above post. He'd probably tell you it's OK because it is "only" a 9mm, and not the mighty .45.

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Bitter Clinger wrote:So....maybe because of the hand injury, he is unable to demonstrate for students the proper disengagement of the thumb safety on a 1911 when drawing from the holster?

Or maybe they just wanted handguns that would not be jamming / failing to feed all the time?

I saw this proposed class described somewhere as a "Level 1" class - which I took to mean "entry-level". The 1911 platform is not a beginner's gun. I love them and own two of them, but they are a gunfighter's gun, not a beginner's gun. Maybe that is the reason?

I would argue that semi autos with no manual safety aren't beginner guns either.

I note that XD/XDM/XDS pistols are not barred from the class, which all have external safeties. Neither for that matter are hammer-fired guns which can be carried de-cocked, like CZs, Sigs, USPs, etc., that have a decocker/thumb safety. Apparently, only the 1911 is barred, which HAS to be carried cocked and locked to be ready to fire.

I never said they were unsafe. I like mine just fine. But whenever I teach a basic pistol class I will always put a 1911 last as the student moves up the caliber continuum, because the manual of arms is more complicated for a beginning shooter, than the manual of arms for my Glock, M&P, and XD-derivative pistols.

I think part of the problem here is that die-hard 1911 fans (I come pretty close to that description myself) seem to think that their (experienced) choice to carry a 1911 is somehow invalidated by an instructor who tells beginner students to learn how to shoot safely first with a pistol that has a simpler manual of arms. Well, your choice isn't invalidated, anymore than someone's choice to daily-drive an XK-E V12 Jaguar would be invalidated by some driving instructor's recommendation to a first time driver to bring a Honda Civic with an automatic transmission to their entry level driving class.

Meanwhile, in the real world, lots of people who drive Honda Civics look upon XK-E V12 drivers with a touch of envy and daydream about what track days must be like, but remind themselves that they are glad they chose the Civic to make the daily commute through stop and go traffic. One is less boring than the other, but it also requires a higher degree of pistoleros skills. The other is more boring, but it is the "Honda Civic" of the gun world.

In any case, in no way is anyone's choice to carry a 1911 either being invalidated or disrespected, just because an NRA instructor decided not to allow 1911s in a entry level class.

Just my opinion. YMMV.

Bitter Clinger wrote:So....maybe because of the hand injury, he is unable to demonstrate for students the proper disengagement of the thumb safety on a 1911 when drawing from the holster?

Or maybe they just wanted handguns that would not be jamming / failing to feed all the time?

I saw this proposed class described somewhere as a "Level 1" class - which I took to mean "entry-level". The 1911 platform is not a beginner's gun. I love them and own two of them, but they are a gunfighter's gun, not a beginner's gun. Maybe that is the reason?