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by The Annoyed Man
Wed May 18, 2016 2:15 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Missing CoSponsor for H.R.923 - Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015
Replies: 35
Views: 7697

Re: Missing CoSponsor for H.R.923 - Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015

TXBO wrote:I can't argue with much of what you state. However, we have spent decades fighting for the recognition of the Second Amendment as a fundamental individual right. Any suggestion that it is a state's right would be detrimental to the movement....And, in my opinion, just plain wrong.
I don't know that it should be a state's right (I'd be happier if it was all federal and the Constitution was followed to the letter), but I do know this: at this time in our history, the right is for the most part safer with the states than it has been with the feds. Yes, there are states that suppress it almost entirely, but they are the exceptions rather than the rule. The ONLY way I can see going forward at the federal level would be if Congress were to pass legislation simply stating that:
  1. the 2nd Amendment says what it says, the courts have determined it to be an individual right, and therefore under the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2), all laws regulating firearms at the state and local level are null and void,
  2. the 2nd Amendment says what it says, the courts have determined it to be an individual right, and therefore under the Bill of Rights, all federal gun control laws are null and void, and
  3. the 2nd Amendment says what it says, the courts have determined it to be an individual right, and therefore it shall be deemed unconstitutional and unlawful and treasonous to attempt to pass any further legislation controlling or restricting the right of citizens to keep and bear arms, and
  4. the 2nd Amendment says what it says, the courts have determined it to be an individual right, and therefore it shall be considered an impeachable offense for a sitting president to in any way circumvent, refuse to enforce, or fail to protect the 2nd Amendment via executive orders.
....and then have the sitting president sign it.

That's never going to happen, and we both know it. Name me ONE president, even a fairly conservative president, who would have signed away federal power like that. Ronald Reagan wouldn't have signed it. We can hope it will some day happen, but realistically it just isn't going to happen because there are too many other citizens who disagree that it is a right at all, let alone a right that cannot be infringed in any way. They are wrong, but they vote, and "elections have consequences", as Emperor Obama is fond of saying. It would take the election of a pretty committed Libertarian POTUS to sign such a bill.

It's a bitter pill to swallow, but there it is, and I fear that trying to pass this national reciprocity legislation would bring forth a greater loss of the RKBA than it would save. We can certainly invest our hopes in what SHOULD be, but if we fail to take into account what IS when we do so, then we are doomed to nothing more than bewildered frustration; and THIS is exactly why it is that, despite the understandable desire for instant and massive change, from a tactical perspective, the preservation and advancement of firearm rights is best tackled piecemeal. A national reciprocity bill would be a fairly sweeping change, and I suspect it would be impossible to pass - let alone to get any of the rodeo clowns currently running to sign it into law - for the simple reason that it would burn up a TON of political capital, when there are more pressing issues..........like keeping Hillary Clinton from turning us into Australia.......
by The Annoyed Man
Wed May 18, 2016 10:11 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Missing CoSponsor for H.R.923 - Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015
Replies: 35
Views: 7697

Re: Missing CoSponsor for H.R.923 - Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015

TXBO wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other, but I can see a possible pro-gun argument for not supporting the bill........and that would be that federal involvement in firearms law is already too prevalent, and we either believe in states' rights, or we don't. In that light, isn't it possible that Rep. Burgess has a principled reason for not having cosponsored it? I don't know anything about the guy. How has he been on the 2nd Amanemdnet otherwise?
I'm a strong believer in state's rights but no stronger that I am a believer in personal rights. The 10th amendment clearly states:

"“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

The 2nd amendment reserves the right to keep and bear arms to "the people". Heller confirmed the individual right.
I understand, and I agree in principle, BUT....... Just how often is the Constitution being respected by the federal gov't these days? For instance (regardless of where you come down on the issue), the recent administration attempt to cow school districts into opening their bathrooms and locker rooms to any gender by threatening to withhold DOE funds if they don't comply is a CLEAR case of interference in states rights.......by a federal bureaucracy for which the Constitution makes no charter. And that example came right off the top of my head. Witness how often Congress has used the Commerce Clause to regulate national policy in ways that would have horrified the Founders.......i.e. Obamacare most recently...... And you know as well as I or anybody else knows that this bill will NOT clear Congress without amendments. Remember the Lautenberg Amendment? Or how about the Hughes amendment to FOPA? And THAT was with a republican president who had a republican senate majority. And now we are facing an presidential election between the two presumed nominees, one of whom has made it her goal to institute Australia-style gun control, and the other of whom is also left of center with a record of having favored draconian anti gun laws in the past.

So how is trusting the Constitution to the grubby paws of DC working out for you?

Yes, it would be a GREAT idea if all it did was force all states to recognize one another's carry licenses, just like they do drivers licenses and marriage licenses. But, I don't think the federal gov't can get involved without its insisting on implementing top down control. Why? Because it concerns guns.....the fed has NO problem forcing states to recognize a completely new marriage paradigm, but with guns, that's a whole 'nuther level. And if there is one thing that a statist politician fears more than anything is an armed (and angry) populace. And right now, people are REAL angry. And there's another issue....... It automatically negates constitutional carry nationally by recognizing that a guaranteed right may be restricted nationally - unlike driving and marriage which are not Constitutionally guaranteed rights. And in my opinion, neither the state nor the fed has any business regulating marriage - let alone issuing licenses for it. If people want to cohabit and have the state recognize it for tax purposes by registering their relationship as a civil union, that's fine; but marriage is a sacred commitment, and it belongs in the purview of religion......whatever religion one ascribes to.....and "Congress shall make no law establishing religion, or preventing the free exercise thereof". And the 1st Amendment is an incorporated right. So DL and ML are totally different issues than CL.

Mine may not be the popular opinion, and it may not suit everybody, but I believe it is the only one that protects the right to carry better than putting it at risk of top-down federal control.

Reasonable people of good will are free to disagree. This is just my opinion, and worth exactly what it costs.
by The Annoyed Man
Tue May 17, 2016 9:16 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Missing CoSponsor for H.R.923 - Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015
Replies: 35
Views: 7697

Re: Missing CoSponsor for H.R.923 - Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015

I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other, but I can see a possible pro-gun argument for not supporting the bill........and that would be that federal involvement in firearms law is already too prevalent, and we either believe in states' rights, or we don't. In that light, isn't it possible that Rep. Burgess has a principled reason for not having cosponsored it? I don't know anything about the guy. How has he been on the 2nd Amanemdnet otherwise?

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