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E.Marquez wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Oh for sure, it will weigh more. That sig is a nifty little gun. Heck, the 220 grain .308 bullets alone will weigh more than an entire 9mm cartridge. But I'm going to build my SBR as light as I can. It will sit on the same Spikes Gen II billet lower you already fired at our range day a few weeks ago. The Spikes Gen II Billet receiver halves together are really light (1.65 lbs combined). I'm using a Minimalist stock (5.8 oz), and the barrel I'm going to use weighs 1 lb 6 oz. The entire package is going to weigh 5.8 lb when it is finished — unloaded with optic and mount included.

I'm not to worried about weight.

Would you be so kind as to send me the build sheet for this gun........You did an outstanding job the last time making gathering parts a breeze.

Bitter Clinger wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Lately, I'm more in the Kel-Tec Sub-2000 price range.

A 9mm sub gun sounds like fun, but ammo cost aside, why would it be any more effective than a .300 Blk for SD?

Yes, you can ping steel with a 9mm at 100 yards, but you can do that with a 1911 .45 too. But with a .300 Blk 220 grain subsonic load 10ft from the muzzle, you have velocity/energy of 1,061 fps/541 ft-lbs, and at 100 yards you still have 1,012 fps/500 ft-lbs. how much retained velocity/energy does a 9mm have at 100 yards, particularly if you were shooting suppressed subsonics? That's my thought anyway.

Cause it's not just about momentum transfer at the point of impact. It's about the right tool for the application. No one will use a pistol caliber carbine for hog hunting or expect it to turn cover into concealment like a rifle round.

But if I am in a CQB situation, making a quick vehicle exit or clearing rooms under stress, I prefer the SBR to a full length bbl with a can hanging off it.

Now, yes, anyone can hit a full size steel target at 100 yards with a 9mm handgun, but if that target at distance is returning fire,I prefer the longer bbl, a shoulder mount, and a red dot. Fast and accurate target acquisition, especially if the enemy is under cover, is clearly less advantageous with just a pistol.