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by The Annoyed Man
Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:00 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you carry at home?
Replies: 92
Views: 19775

Re: Do you carry at home?

jed wrote:While I'm not Lynyrd and you didn't ask me, I will tell you what I do. At night I have a fairly obnoxious blue heeler with alpha issues with people she doesn't know sleeping beside the bed. Any sound not normal in or outside of our house at night, she goes ape-poop. She will wake me with plenty of time to reach for any one of many firearm options.
That's the kind of thing I was looking for. A good dog which doesn't know how to make nice with strangers is a great addition to a household's night time security features. I have such a dog myself.....a boxer/lab mix, not a blue heeler....but he barks when a flea farts down the block during the day time. I don't imagine that anyone will be able to enter my house at night - either by stealth or by force - without eliciting a noisy and aggressive response from him. And that response is what gives me the time to acquire either a handgun or shotgun next to the bed.

I already mentioned that I don't usually carry at home unless I'm either on the way out the door or have just returned home, but that I always have a loaded pistol close at hand. There's a reason for that, and it has to do with comfort and pain relief. I already carry OWB rather than IWB for comfort/pain reasons. When I get home, I may leave my holster on, but I loosen the belt a notch and set the gun aside.

Others have mentioned small children in the home. We have a precious granddaughter who is getting to that "I must walk everywhere and touch everything" stage. Until recently, I've usually kept more than one loaded pistol on my dresser, just so that I can easily pick the one I'm going to carry before going out. Now, the only one on my dresser is the G17, with a TLRs light mounted, as my primary home defense/carry pistol. If I want to pick another one, I'll have to go to the safe, which is on the far side of the house. My shotgun has been leaned against the wall, in the corner near my side of the bed, chamber empty with a full 8 round magazine. This weekend I'll be putting some kind of mounting system on the wall, high enough to be well out of her reach, and the shotgun will go there.

Honestly, I don't know what I would do if I had no back problems and the attendant discomforts. Would I carry at home all the time? Maybe. Maybe not. I've adapted to this reality, and I don't feel particularly at higher risk. But contrasted against that, I feel absolutely naked when I leave the house without a pistol, even if it is just to go down to the mailbox. So I am willing to admit that my comfort with not carrying inside the home may simply be a psychological adaptation to the realities of my life—otherwise, why would I feel so naked outside the home without a pistol? I can't say that I'm actually conflicted about it, but, it is this dichotomy in my own life that caused me to ask others the question about being disarmed while asleep versus armed while awake, and how they personally reconcile that dichotomy in their own lives. It wasn't a challenge to their reasoning, since I've made a similar calculus in my own life regarding carry inside versus outside the home. The question was motivated more by a curiosity to know if their reasoning process was similar to my own.

That's why I never intended the questions to come off as condescending or intrusive. I am by nature a very introspective person.....not in an antisocial way, but rather in the sense that I spend a lot of time examining my own motives about almost anything, and it is often helpful to me to know how others answer these kinds of questions as a backboard against which to judge my own motives. A LOT of the time, when I ask questions that appear on their surface to be rhetorical during discussions like this one, I am actually engaged in this process of self examination. So apologies to all who were offended by my line of questioning.
by The Annoyed Man
Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:37 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you carry at home?
Replies: 92
Views: 19775

Re: Do you carry at home?

oljames3 wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:... I'm not criticizing those who carry in the home at all times. I'm just seeking to understand why they feel the need. ...
TAM, I love you like a brother, but I am feeling criticized. I am reasonably certain that you did not intend to come across as condescending and intrusive, but that is what I am feeling.
Well I apologize. You're right, I never intended to come across as condescending or intrusive. Please forgive me.
by The Annoyed Man
Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:22 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you carry at home?
Replies: 92
Views: 19775

Re: Do you carry at home?

bortaz wrote:I live in the Rio Grande Valley, 8 miles from the border with Reynosa, MX...home invasion robberies have become very popular down here with the cartels and the street gangs. I carry at home. I keep the gun on my belt because I have an autistic grandchild in my home.
Both good reasons.
by The Annoyed Man
Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:27 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you carry at home?
Replies: 92
Views: 19775

Re: Do you carry at home?

Lynyrd wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote: My caveat, of course is that I live in a very quiet, low-crime suburban neighborhood. Perhaps if I lived out in the country, I might feel different about it.
I live out in the country. My house is 1/4 mile back in the trees off of a black top road, and I'm 30 miles from the nearest LEO response (unless a deputy is nearby on patrol). Me and my neighbors are pretty self reliant. We have to be. Generator for the house/water well, clear the roads when need be, etc., etc. If somebody comes to my place without me knowing they are coming, it's probably someone I don't want there.
If I lived in similar circumstances, I would probably feel exactly the same way. But I have the admitted luxury under my current circumstances to not have to live that way. OTH, and I've posted this several times, my plan is to buy a large piece of rural property in the next 5 years or so, and so my situation may well change; and if it does change, then I'll adapt to to it.

I'm not criticizing those who carry in the home at all times. I'm just seeking to understand why they feel the need. So Lynyrd, what do you do when you're asleep?
by The Annoyed Man
Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:24 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you carry at home?
Replies: 92
Views: 19775

Re: Do you carry at home?

aaangel wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:It depends..... If I'm heading out in the near future, or if I've been out and will be leaving again soon, then I'm carrying. If I'm home for the rest of the day, then I'm not carrying, but I have at least a pistol close at hand, and/or a shotgun, depending on where I am in the house.
aaangel wrote:100% of home invasion happens at home. So yes i carry at home. :coolgleamA:
How about when you are asleep in bed? :cool:
TAM, perhaps i should edit my post.... so yes i carry at home (most of the time) :thumbs2:
But again, and not trying to be argumentative.....just seeking to understand.....why do you carry when you're awake and least vulnerable, but not when you're asleep and most vulnerable? That is the inconsistency I don't get. If I would be comfortable sleeping with a gun within reach but not on my person, why wouldn't I feel the same way when I'm awake?

My caveat, of course is that I live in a very quiet, low-crime suburban neighborhood. Perhaps if I lived out in the country, I might feel different about it.
by The Annoyed Man
Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:15 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you carry at home?
Replies: 92
Views: 19775

Re: Do you carry at home?

It depends..... If I'm heading out in the near future, or if I've been out and will be leaving again soon, then I'm carrying. If I'm home for the rest of the day, then I'm not carrying, but I have at least a pistol close at hand, and/or a shotgun, depending on where I am in the house.
aaangel wrote:100% of home invasion happens at home. So yes i carry at home. :coolgleamA:
How about when you are asleep in bed? :cool:

At least some home invasions happen to people who are asleep in bed. If you don't wear a holster and pistol when you're asleep, why not? Could it be that you think you can reasonably get to your firearm in time if you wake up to the sound of someone kicking down your door? If you think that, then why do you think you can't if you are awake?

You see where I'm going with this? I am sincerely NOT mocking you, but I am pointing out an inconsistency that is apparent to me regarding people who say that they carry 100% of the time in the home. Most who say that actually don't carry 100% of the time. They don't carry in the shower or bathtub. They don't carry while asleep. They don't carry while enjoying "personal time" with their significant others. At some point everybody makes the decision to set aside the gun, but keeping it close at hand where it can be quickly re-acquired if necessary. In other words, they do the calculus and come to the conclusion that, for the period of time that they set the gun aside, the exposure to additional risk is actually fairly minimal, and they are comfortable with that risk exposure.

So, if they are comfortable with that risk exposure during times when they are arguably the most vulnerable (i.e. asleep, naked in the shower/tub, in the midst of an intimate moment, etc), then why do they feel that the risk is NOT acceptable when they are the least vulnerable?

That is an inescapable point of logic that I can't let go of, and that is why I am comfortable not carrying, but having a firearm close at hand when I am home, indoors.

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