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by The Annoyed Man
Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:03 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Texans Respond to License to Carry
Replies: 275
Views: 71093

Re: Texans Respond to License to Carry

oljames3 wrote:I'm done. HB910 (Open Carry) goes into effect this Friday, 1/1/16. I've been posting these links to help folks get out of the echo chamber and hear what our fellow Texans are saying. Now it is time to watch what happens.

I've been encouraged by the attitude of many police departments in stating they would not approach a person carrying openly for only the act of carrying openly. I've spoken with the Chiefs of my city's PD and this is their view. I've been disappointed by my fellow Texans' not adjusting to the change as well as the Okies did. Maybe three years down the road we will catch up.

I feel it remains important for us to politely discuss our differences using logic and facts rather than emotions and baseless fears as the anti-gun folks do.

My opinion is my own and is only important or applicable to me. My opinion is as valid to me as that of others is to them. The opinion of others concerning my opinion is of no importance to me. My opinion can change based on what I learn from others.

I've done my due diligence. I've conducted my risk analysis and studied the strategic and tactical issues. My decisions on self defense are based on an understanding of my own abilities and limitations, my situation and condition. This is not a one time process, but rather an ongoing one.

For all if us, as most things in life, it boils down to which risks we are willing to manage and which benefits matter most. We must also remember to consider how our actions impact others.

Let's all keep calm and carry.

Happy New Year to you and yours!
:thewave

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/communit ... jan.-1.ece

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/communit ... ry-law.ece

http://www.tml.org/p/Dec%202015%20QA%20 ... INIONS.pdf

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texa ... e-35957542

http://m.lubbockonline.com/local-news/2 ... #gsc.tab=0

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/27/te ... n-law.html

http://www.lambcountyleadernews.com/art ... dgun-texas

http://m.wacotrib.com/news/business/loc ... l?mode=jqm

http://m.cleburnetimesreview.com/news/o ... l?mode=jqm
The articles themselves didn't really shed much additional light on things that we didn't all know. There is the recurrent theme from police that it's legal as of 1/1, and that police don't want you to phone them every time you see a gun.

But what caught my attention was how breathtakingly ignorant most of the comments were, including people one woman who said if she saw anyone open carrying in her neighborhood, she would KEEP calling 911 until the person went home. My question to her: "What if he LIVES in your neighborhood?"

I have stated many times that, while I will likely not OC myself the vast majority of the time, I think passage was a good thing. But the dire predictions of mass slaughter and the threat of SWATting from ignorant nasty people is just stupefying.
by The Annoyed Man
Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:29 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Texans Respond to License to Carry
Replies: 275
Views: 71093

Re: Texans Respond to License to Carry

Glockster wrote:
TexasCajun wrote:I'm curious to see how/if/when a lawsuit is filed against campus carry. What say y'all? Does their argument hold any merit, or is it just more posturing & emotional blather?
I can't really say as the article doesn't let you read other than the first couple of sentences. But what was there seemed to indicate that the universities believe that they can ban guns in classrooms and dorms -- and I presume that they think that is "all" of those -- and that certainly doesn't match my recollection of what was discussed during the legislative session.
THIS ^^.

Here is what the law says http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00011F.htm:
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
  • SECTION 1. Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, is
    amended by adding Section 411.2031 to read as follows:
    • Sec. 411.2031. CARRYING OF HANDGUNS BY LICENSE HOLDERS ON
      CERTAIN CAMPUSES.
      • (a) For purposes of this section:
        • (1) "Campus" means all land and buildings owned or leased by an institution of higher education or private or independent institution of higher education.
          (2) "Institution of higher education" and "private or independent institution of higher education" have the meanings assigned by Section 61.003, Education Code.
          (3) "Premises" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035, Penal Code.
        (b) A license holder may carry a concealed handgun on or about the license holder's person while the license holder is on the campus of an institution of higher education or private or independent institution of higher education in this state.
        (c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), (d-1), or (e), an institution of higher education or private or independent institution of higher education in this state may not adopt any rule, regulation, or other provision prohibiting license holders from carrying handguns on the campus of the institution.
        (d) An institution of higher education or private or independent institution of higher education in this state may establish rules, regulations, or other provisions concerning the storage of handguns in dormitories or other residential facilities that are owned or leased and operated by the institution and located on the campus of the institution.
        (d-1) After consulting with students, staff, and faculty of the institution regarding the nature of the student population, specific safety considerations, and the uniqueness of the campus environment, the president or other chief executive officer of an institution of higher education in this state shall establish reasonable rules, regulations, or other provisions regarding the carrying of concealed handguns by license holders on the campus of the institution or on premises located on the campus of the institution. The president or officer may not establish provisions that generally prohibit or have the effect of generally prohibiting license holders from carrying concealed handguns on the campus of the institution. The president or officer may amend the provisions as necessary for campus safety. The provisions take effect as determined by the president or officer unless subsequently amended by the board of regents or other governing board under Subsection (d-2). The institution must give effective notice under Section 30.06, Penal Code, with respect to any portion of a premises on which license holders may not carry.
        (d-2) Not later than the 90th day after the date that the rules, regulations, or other provisions are established as described by Subsection (d-1), the board of regents or other governing board of the institution of higher education shall review the provisions. The board of regents or other governing board may, by a vote of not less than two-thirds of the board, amend wholly or partly the provisions established under Subsection (d-1). If amended under this subsection, the provisions are considered to be those of the institution as established under Subsection (d-1).

        ........

        (e) A private or independent institution of higher education in this state, after consulting with students, staff, and faculty of the institution, may establish rules, regulations, or other provisions prohibiting license holders from carrying handguns on the campus of the institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by the institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle owned by the institution.
TPC § 46.035(f)(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
Let them sue. The law seems pretty ironclad to me. It would be hard to argue that the legislature intended anything other than what they passed and the governor signed into law. The way the law is worded, a public university NOT allowed to post 30.06 in all buildings. As such, it wouldn't cost much in legal fees to take them to court because no judge could reasonably interpret the law to mean that they could establish a de facto banning of CHL from the buildings.....not the way the law is written, and certainly not in the absence of any Constitutional objections. Only the most hardcore leftist judge would fail to throw this out of court, and the ones that didn't might not be reelected.
by The Annoyed Man
Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:53 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Texans Respond to License to Carry
Replies: 275
Views: 71093

Re: Texans Respond to License to Carry

mojo84 wrote:It will be interesting to see if this has kicked the ant pile. We may see more 30.06 signs since this has been brought to the forefront. Hope people will settle down.
This has been my prediction. I do believe that eventually it will settle down as people become accustomed to the law. BUT.... I think we WILL see a spate of preemptive 30.07 postings, accompanied by previously non-existent 30.06s as business owners educate themselves and decide to "err on the side of caution".

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