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The wife of family that is friends with my California family is a psychologist. Their son murdered his girlfriend with a knife, and then ran from rooftop to rooftop, totally naked and drenched in her blood. He's still in a padded room. But we've also known psychologists with perfectly normal families. My point isn't that psychology, or even psychiatry (which is actually a hard science) can't be useful. My point is that their practitioners are as often messed up and weird as in any other profession. Actually BEING a psychiatrist is no more a guarantee against messed-up thinking than being an internist is a guarantee of not getting cancer. Doctors, even good doctors, die of cancer every day. I know two of them myself....much to my regret. Why should psychiatrists be exempt?

srothstein wrote:Until psychology and criminology become much more exact sciences, I cannot support allowing a doctor to make this judgment call, no matter what training he has.

Exactly one of the points I made in my previous post.

cb1000rider, Should we all then have a psychiatric sign-off by a doctor before being allowed to go to church or to speak freely? How about requiring a psychiatric sign-off for an abortion? It's both (allegedly) a constitutional right to have one, AND it results in the ACTUAL death of a specific person (rather than the potential death of a future unnamed person).

It is bad enough to have to pay the state $70 and a CHL instructor whatever they charge, not to mention the background check, just in order to exercise a limited right (limited, because it applies to concealed carry only) that other states, both liberal and conservative, simply take for granted and do not trouble their citizens over it.

On top of that, you want to add a layer of psychiatric oversight by a cadre of professionals who A) tend overwhelmingly to hold the 2nd Amendment in disfavor, and B) practice a science with often vague and difficult to empirically measure parameters?

Reminds me of one of the characters at the local cowboy murder mystery theaters - Miss Ima Nottahavinany.

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There is now even more to dislike about Obama’s new pick for the nation’s top medical position. Surgeon General nominee Vivek Murthy wants doctors to be trained in order to determine who is “fit” to carry a firearm. This is one of the biggest reasons why we are now seeing even right-thinking pro-Second Amendment Democrats lining up to oppose this nomination.

Murthy is also teaming up with the American Medical Association (AMA) and the American College of Physicians (ACP) to call gun violence a public health crisis, as was reported in The Atlantic recently. Their main justification for this new push to try and develop training programs for doctors is a new North Carolina study that shows most doctors don’t feel they have adequate competence in order to determine whether they can properly sign off on a patient’s gun permit. Yes, North Carolina is one of the few states to allow doctors this power (of signing off on competency permits for prospective gun owners).

If this bozo gets the job, this is what we can look forward to during the next 2 years.