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Chipotle is asking customers not to bring guns into its stores after it says gun rights advocates recently brought military-style assault rifles into one of its restaurants.

The Denver-based company notes that it has traditionally complied with local laws regarding open and concealed firearms.

But in a statement Monday, the company said that "the display of firearms in our restaurants has now created an environment that is potentially intimidating or uncomfortable for many of our customers."

Anyone care to guess which way they'll jump when OC passes?

G.A. Heath wrote:Considering that TSRA will most likely be pushing an OC bill this session (Those of us who are spectating can't say for sure until it happens), and considering that we know who typically writes TSRA legislation (Thank you for the work you do Charles!), I am fairly certain that 30.06 will not be modified/altered to include OC.

Then that would be the first part of "the best that we can hope for".

baron wrote:I think the best we can hope for is 30.06 applies only to concealed carry and 30.05 applies to open carry.

And that's the second half of "the best we can hope for".....a second "big ugly sign".

But, the question still remains: are we talking about licensed or unlicensed OC? My personal goal is still constitutional carry, but I also still think the incrementalist approach is the wisest and most permanent.

Can Open Carry Texas live with that? I'm not optimistic.

Aaaaaaaaand...... we're back to the crux of the actual debate, to whit, how will legalized OC affect CC, and what to do about signage? OC will never pass in Texas without addressing signage requirements. Those signage requirements would have been a WHOLE lot easier for us to address if OC demonstrators had not reminded the corporatists that they are going to have to donate $$ millions to anti-OC candidates, and reminding the insurance companies to modify their liability policies to forbid CC on the premises they insure, etc., etc.

The legislature will HAVE to address this, and the VERY BEST we could have hoped for would have been a separate "big ugly sign" requirement for OC. But as long as OC demonstrators continue to rub the public's nose in this issue, the two likely outcomes will either be (best case) a gunbusters sign for OC, or (worst case) a change to the wording of 30.06 to include OC.

And THIS is what comes of irresponsible activism by those lacking in realistic political wisdom.

Oki

G.A. Heath wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Remember that Mr. Greg Abott and even his opponent a very lefty-democrat Wendy Davis, both support the OC for 2015 session. And here we are split with I like OC but I do not like OC carry demos.
We need to unite and do work on both front organized public OC events and lobbying to get OC legal in Texas. United we stand, divided we falter.

First off we need to stage a protest calling for legalization of handgun OC. We need to do it without using the in your face tactics, and avoid repeating tactics to the point they get the response of "Yawn..."

So lets use the mythical "Texans United For Open Carry" group, which would possibly be known as TU4OC. Lets say there is a comic convention or Star Wars convention in town the group could walk around dressed up as male and female versions of Han Solo with a banana in the holster with a few dressed as a robot that would be called 2-4-OC. The group would catch the attention of the convention goers and they would look into the issue.

The next week get everybody together, call the media, go to the park and do a "pushing up for OC" event where the protesters each do up to one push up for each year that OC has been banned.

The next week do something different. The more unusual the better it is for catching the medias attention and leave the long guns at home because you don't want them to be the subject of the media coverage.

That is actually a reasoned response, and those are good ideas.

I am actually glad to hear this, and CJ Grisham is surprising me with his statement.......particularly since he has his own arrest record for OC'ing without notifying the police first: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... ham+arrest.

Here is the problem that Open Carry advocates have, including Open Carry Texas (this is not an attack, but my observation):

• What the movement needs is sober-minded high-profile advocates with a long track record of success in leadership positions in order to promote the cause.......people like Charles Cotton, for example, or other NRA national board members, as well as prominent politicians. However, gun rights advocates who meet all three of those criteria — a) being known for sober thinking, b) having a well-known high profile in legislative circles, and c) having a long track record of legislative successes — are all pretty much committed to the incrementalist approach to regaining our gun freedoms. For most of them, open carry is not the issue of highest priority right at this moment in time. That is NOT to say that they don't think it is important, or that they are not committed to getting us there eventually; rather it is that they see other steps which must occur first in order to consolidate the gains we've already made, and AFTER that has been completed, THEN to prep the way for acceptance and passage of open carry.

But, the OC grassroots are insistent, or impatient, or whatever you want to call it, and won't back down from the idea of open carry demonstrations as their chosen means to advance the cause. Since nature abhors a vacuum, and since most leaders like those I've described above refuse to get sucked in right now into leading the OC charge, what's happening is that movement leadership positions are filled—NOT always, but often—by people who are either politically naive, or who are for whatever other reason constitutionally unable or unwilling to behave other than as firebrands.

.....and firebrands toting scary looking black rifles with barrel shrouds and "the thing that goes up" not only don't have a prayer of converting anyone who is not already fairly committed to the cause of open carry, they are fairly likely to convince otherwise convertible people not to want to have anything to do with it. I wouldn't care about that, except that in the end, it is going to boil down to voters, and their elected representatives. All it takes.....and this is a fairly small thing....is for enough scared voters to call their otherwise pro-gun legislator and complain about OC demonstrators, and you can take it to the bank that legislator will vote against it.

If CJ Grisham begins to show additional streaks of rationality and a recognition of political realities, I will change my opinion of him accordingly. This action is a start.