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jbarn wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote: But the SP2022 has no grip safety, and it has a 4.4 lb SA pull with the hammer fully cocked and ready to go. It has a decocker, but no safety which locks the hammer. That means that it was designed to be carried decocked. Carrying it cocked, and not locked, runs against both the manufacturer's recommendations and the buns design parameters. That just seems like a recipe for disaster to me. But to each his or her own, I suppose.

Unless one instructs others in that method, or calls it a viable carry method for students. Then it is not "each to their own". We have an enormous responsibility as instructors. Carrying in such a dangerous manner is irresponsible, IMO.

I agree with everything you wrote.

I agree, and while I am not a CHL instructor, I AM an NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor, and I would never tell my students "to each his/her own" either. I was saying "to each his/her own" to The_Busy_Mom. But my guess is that the NRA would not be happy with teaching people that, if she were doing it in the context of an NRA Basic Handgun Safety class. In any case, I think we've worn out the discussion.

RKlenka wrote:How heavy of a trigger pull is The_Busy_Mom's trigger pull with the hammer back? If its a decent weight then i dont see how it would be any more risky than a striker fired handgun of a decent weight, or any firearm hammer down with a similar pull weight. If it was a significantly lighter pull weight then i would have to put more thought into carrying it safety off hammer back.

Per the Sig website, the SA pull for the SP2022 is 4.4 lb, or about the same as for a cocked 1911: On pistols like Glocks, M&Ps, and XD/XDMs, in addition to the trigger safety mechanisms, the striker is only partially cocked by the motion of the slide. Pulling the trigger completes the cocking before the striker is released. On a hammer fired pistol like the Sigs, H&K USP, and 1911s, when the hammer is cocked, the gun is only a very slight pull from being fired. A hammer fired pistol with a 4.4 lb SA pull should never be carried in Condition 0. As I have stated in other posts, I have gotten home at the end of the day and found that my holstered cocked and locked 1911 was no longer locked. Somehow, the thumb safety had been disengaged. However, I did not worry about it too much because the lack of pressure on the grip safety would have kept the gun from firing even if the trigger had somehow been exposed. I simply flicked the thumb safety back on before unholstering. Ditto both my XDM and XDS....they both have a grip safety which means that the gun has to be deliberately fired after unholstering. My old HK USP Compact had a combination thumb safety/decocker level. I could carry it either decocked in DA, or cocked and locked in SA. But there was no way in tarnation I was going to carry it cocked and NOT locked.

But the SP2022 has no grip safety, and it has a 4.4 lb SA pull with the hammer fully cocked and ready to go. It has a decocker, but no safety which locks the hammer. That means that it was designed to be carried decocked. Carrying it cocked, and not locked, runs against both the manufacturer's recommendations and the buns design parameters. That just seems like a recipe for disaster to me. But to each his or her own, I suppose.

jbarn wrote:

The_Busy_Mom wrote:We will have to agree to disagree.

TBM

We certainly do.

Would you answer the revolver question? Would you carry a revolver cocked?

I can't answer for her, but I can answer for me. The only DA/SA revolver I own is a 5" Model 29. The single action letoff weight is "a hard stare" on my seat of the pants scale. Seeing as it has no safety other than the one between my ears, and seeing that the one between my ears is quite robust, I wouldn't dare carry that hand-cannon cocked without a safety. The fireball alone would set my clothes on fire, leaving a sizeable impact crater where my foot used to be.

Dragonfighter wrote:If you want an uncomfortable LOOKING way to carry, look at the 1911. One in the pipe, hammer back, safety on. IOW cocked and locked. This method has proved adequately safe for a hundred years. All modern revolvers have a hammer block that slides into place when the hammer is down and the trigger is not depressed. All except the NAA .22 and even that has an indexing system where by the hammer is "indexed" into a notch between chambers for carry. All modern semi-automatics are designed for chambered carry and have a variety of safety sequences from active safety to decocking lever or reset to half-cock like the Glock. The advice here is good, whatever carry method you chose make sure it protects the trigger and does not entangle the weapon. Practice deploying your weapon (cleared and safety checked) while keeping your trigger finger along side of the frame without it going into the trigger guard until you are on target.

Believe me, the last thing you want when a situation goes red is to have to chamber a round. This isn't Hollywood, the good guys don't always get a chance to rack the slide.

And beyond that, there have been a number of times when carrying my 1911 that sometime during the day, the thumb safety got disengaged, but even so, the trigger was still covered by the holster, and the grip safety was still engaged. The gun cannot fire until you draw it, aim it, and will it to do so. . . . .and the trigger on a 1911 is MUCH lighter and shorter than a Sig DA/SA trigger.

Beyond that, you can also carry cocked and locked with a holster that has a retention strap which prevents the hammer from falling.